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Old 07-01-2009, 07:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes...

I think as buyers we need to realize how we are using the bikes is
gonna be the starting point with regards to "flaws". If you just putt
around your yard a china bike isn't gonna get beat up too much versus
ripping around on a legit track whether set up for minis or full size bikes.
Perfect example, I bought a 09 Motovert & it is extremely nice bike.
Even so, she is in the shop getting the forks redone being upgraded with
a nice rebuild kit which will make the forks that much better which will
cost me around $175 bucks. It's worth it knowing I will have more
confidence in blasting jumps & whoops. For me the debate will be how
much do I want to spend on upgrades versus buying a nicer bike like the
new BBR Production bike costing $4000. When I get the motovert she will
have cost me a little under $2000. I honestly don't think I would throw
more money into her. Is the BBR Production bike worth $4000 ? Time
will tell once the first set of bikes hit the tracks. The BBR bike will only
be worth the extra money as long as you don't need to drop more cash
on it to make it ride better. I ain't gonna lie when I say the BBR bike isn't
calling my name because it is, right now I feel as though I can get my
$2000 grand out of my motovert & be happy. Now if I happen to see a
slightly used BBR Production Bike being sold for $3500 bucks on Planet Minis within the next couple of months I might just have to pull the trigger.




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Old 07-01-2009, 07:33 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I think as buyers we need to realize how we are using the bikes is
gonna be the starting point with regards to "flaws". If you just putt
around your yard a china bike isn't gonna get beat up too much versus
ripping around on a legit track whether set up for minis or full size bikes.
Perfect example, I bought a 09 Motovert & it is extremely nice bike.
Even so, she is in the shop getting the forks redone being upgraded with
a nice rebuild kit which will make the forks that much better which will
cost me around $175 bucks. It's worth it knowing I will have more
confidence in blasting jumps & whoops. For me the debate will be how
much do I want to spend on upgrades versus buying a nicer bike like the
new BBR Production bike costing $4000. When I get the motovert she will
have cost me a little under $2000. I honestly don't think I would throw
more money into her. Is the BBR Production bike worth $4000 ? Time
will tell once the first set of bikes hit the tracks. The BBR bike will only
be worth the extra money as long as you don't need to drop more cash
on it to make it ride better. I ain't gonna lie when I say the BBR bike isn't
calling my name because it is, right now I feel as though I can get my
$2000 grand out of my motovert & be happy. Now if I happen to see a
slightly used BBR Production Bike being sold for $3500 bucks on Planet Minis within the next couple of months I might just have to pull the trigger.




In all reality, your Motovert will handle and perform as well as the new BBR China bike (yes I said China because most of it IS from China). with the similar forks and shock, your non linkage bike will work as well as their non linkage bike, it might not have BBR on it , but with some upgrades yours can work as well, probably already does..
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:49 PM   #23 (permalink)
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NO BASHING! i am asking if you could buy products to make your china bike better, what product would you buy! NO BASHING NO BASHING NO BASHING
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:58 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Easy. Hardware. Poor quality nuts and bolts.... overall mostly just grade of metals. If they stepped up the grade of steel and aluminum in their transmissions, nuts, swingarms...etc. They'd be fine. They're getting precision down pretty good, just poor quality metals keep hampering them IMO.
Good post. This is what I was going to say, but I will expand it a little.

By far the biggest flaw on Chinese bikes is the low-quality materials used throughout the bike. The biggest issue is with the metals. If they used better steel and aluminum the frames, engines, and wheels would last and take abuse. But the plastic, rubber, and every other material on the bike is not high quality.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:17 PM   #25 (permalink)
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^^ agreed 100%
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:32 PM   #26 (permalink)
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NO BASHING! i am asking if you could buy products to make your china bike better, what product would you buy! NO BASHING NO BASHING NO BASHING

You cant change the rules in the middle of the game

Carbon Fiber. Case covers/guards... stuff like that.

My biggest problem with the bikes really is fit and finish. Seriously, how many people have had to modify parts right out of the box to make them work?

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haha. well i did! cause we all know that the metal sucks! that was in the origional thread, but now i have re worded the question.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:38 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes...

Booty Freak, did something happen to your forks? Cause i'm pretty sure that Pitster, and Motovert are using similar forks and I ran mine in stock from for awhile without any issues (if it was fork seals that understandable they go out on any and everything).

I think people sometimes upgrade parts that aren't necessary (but I believe 100% in having your suspension built by someone, although the majority of pit bike riders wouldn't know the difference) and pass it off as "Oh that stock part was crap"- I've used the excuse a time or 2 with my wife.
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(but I believe 100% in having your suspension built by someone, although the majority of pit bike riders wouldn't know the difference) and pass it off as "Oh that stock part was crap"- I've used the excuse a time or 2 with my wife.
hehe, so you would say a part that would fix a flaw is suspension?
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Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes...

i keep bending footpeg mounts (and footpegs) like no other on my x4r and x2. those things fold like tacos and I hate buying new ones after every other time I ride.



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Old 07-01-2009, 09:05 PM   #31 (permalink)
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We have had every thing from 12k bbrs to 10k klx mod 110s to complete klx/drz 110 stockers every bike has had something break one way or another it all takes alot of up keep and care to keep them in running order any bike can be broke and picked apart some just easier than others.you get out of them what you put into them.
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i keep bending footpeg mounts (and footpegs) like no other on my x4r and x2. those things fold like tacos and I hate buying new ones after every other time I ride.



Buy a diffiernt brand?
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no one makes aftermarket footpeg mounts for china bikes. you can get better foot pegs but not the mounts.
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Old 07-01-2009, 10:26 PM   #34 (permalink)
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My SDG came with way a too wide footpeg bar, you only need so much, I like to have my boots rubbing the sidecovers and no more, so I cut the peg mounts off and shortened the peg mount bar, and rewelded them back on as close as I could get them. Much nicer, and they don't get hung up in the woods so much. This might be a good thing for you to do to stop the peg mount bar bending on your pitster too.
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no one makes aftermarket footpeg mounts for china bikes. you can get better foot pegs but not the mounts.
I will make you one you won't bend easily.
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i might take you up on that if the next set i'm working on doesn't work. I'm trying to modify a set of the solid steel bbr 50 mounts. if that doesn't work well, i'll be in touch
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Old 07-02-2009, 12:34 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Hardware for sure,fit and finish,assembly control(factory)better welding(nicer looking) better bushing's and bearings,better fork/shock oil,brake oil,jetting,better quailty seat covers,but at a 1/4 of the cost,it's a deal(if you buy the right one's). Just got a new LXR,and it has definitely blurred the line between jap/chinese,i'm impressed!
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everything and somthing to get rid of that stupid ringing noise all the yx engines make.


They sound like they are going to explode going around the track drives me crazy.

Then get the rake done correctly on all of the bikes. The X2 The forks are like straight up and down making it ride like a hill climb bike. I remember riding one and trying to corner it and it just felt wrong.

The worst is trying to explain this to the import suppliers.
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metal, bolts, nuts, footpegs, mounts, tires, handlebars, grips, swingarms, engines, bearings, etc. etc.

the list goes on.
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Booty Freak, did something happen to your forks? Cause i'm pretty sure that Pitster, and Motovert are using similar forks and I ran mine in stock from for awhile without any issues (if it was fork seals that understandable they go out on any and everything).

I think people sometimes upgrade parts that aren't necessary (but I believe 100% in having your suspension built by someone, although the majority of pit bike riders wouldn't know the difference) and pass it off as "Oh that stock part was crap"- I've used the excuse a time or 2 with my wife.

The left fork leg was leaking oil & I decided it was better to pay someone
who knew what they were doing to fix it. When the mechanic got the forks apart he came across some things other than the seals that needed
to be replaced. There was some internal plastic rings that were cracked
so we decided to go with a kit that has aluminum rings for better durability.
The guy would of put the forks back together with just new seals & oil, but
I told him it was worth a extra 30 bucks to uprade all the internal parts so I could bomb some big jumps.
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