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kawasakicoby125 · 07-02-2009, 08:44 AM

ok, it seems that you guys are kind of figuring out what my question is, but let me re word it again. WHAT PRODUCT WOULD YOU BUY THAT WOULD MAKE YOUR CHINA BKE BETTER, THAT HASNT ALREADY BEEN MADE.

lkythrtn · 07-02-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kawasakicoby125

ok, it seems that you guys are kind of figuring out what my question is, but let me re word it again. WHAT PRODUCT WOULD YOU BUY THAT WOULD MAKE YOUR CHINA BKE BETTER, THAT HASNT ALREADY BEEN MADE.

A BETTER QUALITY ONE.
There is no one specific part or product that will fix everyone's bikes. Everyone knows that through better quality materials comes a better quality product. That being said, the Chinese know that using inferior quality materials is cost efficient and allows them to sell for much less than if they used quality materials.

kawasakicoby125 · 07-02-2009, 09:35 AM

yea, but i am only asking for one product that fixes one problem that everyone has. we all know china uses bad meterials.

gstegman · 07-02-2009, 10:13 AM

I'm waiting to spend my hard earned $2000-$3000 on a cloned china bike until they get better graphics! Yep, definately the stickers holding me back...

Harvester · 07-02-2009, 11:21 AM

One product that 'fixes' them to an extent? Loctite.

kawasakicoby125 · 07-02-2009, 11:34 AM

haha. ok, so here is what im hearing. you guys would buy better bolts, better quality frames, and loctite? haha

kawasakicoby125 · 07-02-2009, 11:36 AM

nothing like an adaptie linkage that you could put on x4s, and like bikes. or mabe go into the x2 type bikes. the purpose of this thread was to see what i can make, summer time is boarin, that i could test to make imports better.

trackstar · 07-02-2009, 12:03 PM

Well if you want to get serious heres some of the trick stuff we have on our road racing bikes.

Adjustable offset triples so we can tune to the track.
Adjustable pivot points for the swingarm.
Adjustable ride height for the shock mount.
Offsets for the steering head to change rake/trail
Rear thumb brake (REALLY nice)
Slipper clutch

50rider340 · 07-02-2009, 12:06 PM

I figured out what part could fix the import bikes. A DRZ or KLX 110, and a CRF50 lol

Brandonbmw · 07-02-2009, 12:09 PM

Dont buy china.

thats the only cure.

damageinc2785 · 07-02-2009, 12:36 PM

i want a slipper clutch bad...

kawasakicoby125 · 07-02-2009, 01:20 PM

NO BASHING! i was thinking about going to a machine shop, and using a computer do design a linkage system that directly dolts to my x4r. would anyone be interested in that?

micro75 · 07-02-2009, 08:33 PM

Just my .02 I think you will be waiting a while for people to be all that high on linkage bikes they don't seem to be an advantage other than to raise cost on lower quality products if that is an advantage. I don't see them doninating the local events in Western Pa. or Eastern Ohio

killer110 · 07-02-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kawasakicoby125

NO BASHING! i was thinking about going to a machine shop, and using a computer do design a linkage system that directly dolts to my x4r. would anyone be interested in that?

i'd be interested. escpecially if it works, that would be cool

kawasakicoby125 · 07-02-2009, 08:41 PM

ok, and i was thinking about something that would adress the motor mounts in frames. like people who have a klx frame and want to put a 50 style motor in it. would anyone be interested in either of those?

DGA · 07-02-2009, 09:58 PM

If some here like high quality parts I might consider making a carbon fiber frame for whatever model is current. Would be modular, have all the hardpoints for high end necessities like oil coolers etc, and would easily halve the weight of a current high end frame, as well as be about 100% stiffer. Price would be similar to the best frames out there. All USA made of course.

kawasakicoby125 · 07-02-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DGA

If some here like high quality parts I might consider making a carbon fiber frame for whatever model is current. Would be modular, have all the hardpoints for high end necessities like oil coolers etc, and would easily halve the weight of a current high end frame, as well as be about 100% stiffer. Price would be similar to the best frames out there. All USA made of course.

ok. there are major flaws in that.
1. carbon fiber would crack so easily, because it would be too stiff
2. carbon fiber doesnt respond well to heat
3. a carbon fiber fender costs like 80 bucks, a frame would be like 600
great idea tho, i might have to look into altrenative materials, that arent metalic, for frames...

DGA · 07-02-2009, 10:17 PM

OK, don't comment on this material if you know nothing about it please, just know that it would be well suited for a bike frame. Take a close look at my avitar, it's a carbon gearbox for a 400 hp engine, so it does adapt to a lot of weight/ strength designs that exist in normal metals. As I said, the price would be similar to a high end frame, not a play bike frame. Some spend over $6k on their race bikes from what I've seen.

kawasakicoby125 · 07-02-2009, 10:26 PM

how does the gearbox hold up to heat? i am just wondering. i based what ive said off what ive been told by other bilders. im just a metal guy. haha

DGA · 07-02-2009, 10:32 PM

Epoxies used can be cured over 400F, useable at 350F. Thousands of race cars out there using carbon for a chassis, absorbing over 150G impact loads in crashes and cornering over 5Gs. Carbon is serious stuff. Back on topic, there are framesets out there for $1000, this would be in that ballpark. Again, not playbike stuff.

07-02-2009, 08:44 AM	#41 (permalink)
kawasakicoby125 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 2,356 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... ok, it seems that you guys are kind of figuring out what my question is, but let me re word it again. WHAT PRODUCT WOULD YOU BUY THAT WOULD MAKE YOUR CHINA BKE BETTER, THAT HASNT ALREADY BEEN MADE.

07-02-2009, 09:35 AM	#43 (permalink)
kawasakicoby125 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 2,356 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... yea, but i am only asking for one product that fixes one problem that everyone has. we all know china uses bad meterials.

07-02-2009, 10:13 AM	#44 (permalink)
gstegman "The Steg" Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Castro Valley, CA Posts: 983	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... I'm waiting to spend my hard earned $2000-$3000 on a cloned china bike until they get better graphics! Yep, definately the stickers holding me back...

07-02-2009, 11:21 AM	#45 (permalink)
Harvester 1st Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 103	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... One product that 'fixes' them to an extent? Loctite.

07-02-2009, 11:34 AM	#46 (permalink)
kawasakicoby125 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 2,356 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... haha. ok, so here is what im hearing. you guys would buy better bolts, better quality frames, and loctite? haha

07-02-2009, 11:36 AM	#47 (permalink)
kawasakicoby125 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 2,356 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... nothing like an adaptie linkage that you could put on x4s, and like bikes. or mabe go into the x2 type bikes. the purpose of this thread was to see what i can make, summer time is boarin, that i could test to make imports better.

07-02-2009, 12:03 PM	#48 (permalink)
trackstar 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Roy Utah Posts: 372 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... Well if you want to get serious heres some of the trick stuff we have on our road racing bikes. Adjustable offset triples so we can tune to the track. Adjustable pivot points for the swingarm. Adjustable ride height for the shock mount. Offsets for the steering head to change rake/trail Rear thumb brake (REALLY nice) Slipper clutch

07-02-2009, 12:06 PM	#49 (permalink)
50rider340 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CT Posts: 3,083 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... I figured out what part could fix the import bikes. A DRZ or KLX 110, and a CRF50 lol

07-02-2009, 12:09 PM	#50 (permalink)
Brandonbmw 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Corona, Ca Posts: 1,794	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... Dont buy china. thats the only cure.

07-02-2009, 12:36 PM	#51 (permalink)
damageinc2785 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: huntington, LI, NY Posts: 351 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... i want a slipper clutch bad...

07-02-2009, 01:20 PM	#52 (permalink)
kawasakicoby125 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 2,356 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... NO BASHING! i was thinking about going to a machine shop, and using a computer do design a linkage system that directly dolts to my x4r. would anyone be interested in that?

07-02-2009, 08:33 PM	#53 (permalink)
micro75 2nd Gear Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hermitage, PA Posts: 561	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... Just my .02 I think you will be waiting a while for people to be all that high on linkage bikes they don't seem to be an advantage other than to raise cost on lower quality products if that is an advantage. I don't see them doninating the local events in Western Pa. or Eastern Ohio

07-02-2009, 08:41 PM	#55 (permalink)
kawasakicoby125 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 2,356 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... ok, and i was thinking about something that would adress the motor mounts in frames. like people who have a klx frame and want to put a 50 style motor in it. would anyone be interested in either of those?

07-02-2009, 09:58 PM	#56 (permalink)
DGA 1st Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 179 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... If some here like high quality parts I might consider making a carbon fiber frame for whatever model is current. Would be modular, have all the hardpoints for high end necessities like oil coolers etc, and would easily halve the weight of a current high end frame, as well as be about 100% stiffer. Price would be similar to the best frames out there. All USA made of course.

07-02-2009, 10:17 PM	#58 (permalink)
DGA 1st Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 179 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... OK, don't comment on this material if you know nothing about it please, just know that it would be well suited for a bike frame. Take a close look at my avitar, it's a carbon gearbox for a 400 hp engine, so it does adapt to a lot of weight/ strength designs that exist in normal metals. As I said, the price would be similar to a high end frame, not a play bike frame. Some spend over $6k on their race bikes from what I've seen.

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07-02-2009, 10:26 PM	#59 (permalink)
kawasakicoby125 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 2,356 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... how does the gearbox hold up to heat? i am just wondering. i based what ive said off what ive been told by other bilders. im just a metal guy. haha

07-02-2009, 10:32 PM	#60 (permalink)
DGA 1st Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 179 My Mood:	Re: the biggest flaws in import bikes... Epoxies used can be cured over 400F, useable at 350F. Thousands of race cars out there using carbon for a chassis, absorbing over 150G impact loads in crashes and cornering over 5Gs. Carbon is serious stuff. Back on topic, there are framesets out there for $1000, this would be in that ballpark. Again, not playbike stuff.