Planet Minis

sipke · 06-04-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by themountain

then put up some internal pics, pleeeeeeeeease

It's a desert out there...

nautha · 06-04-2009, 07:31 AM

if you were from europe, i probably suggest you the Daytona150, but in the usa, the price of this engine is way higher than here, so i tell you Lifan that you can upgrade with many parts (clutch baskets, cams,BB kits,even takegawa parts, etc..).
Beside this, remind that in the new daytona150 it is so much a Lifan inside, but have a better head&cylinder set, all the resto is like the lifan 150.
We used to race Daytonas 150 but anyways, we already easy broke a couple of them without any irregular abuse...
This is the last we broke, it has just 4hrs, oil changed every 2, and always checked and correctly warmed-up before to be used.
Others Daytona150 suffered the similar issue, connecting rod and clutch basket gear seems to be the major problems in this engine.
All comes from the new 2009 new batch (mean the second new generation batch)..

sagaone · 06-04-2009, 07:49 AM

^^^nothing a bit of jb cant fix eyy

sipke · 06-04-2009, 08:14 AM

Nautha,

am seeing it correctely that you use sealant instead of a basegasket on the cilinder? If yes, what piston to head clearance did you use? We've had no problems with the 150 of this kind with the exception of stripped threads on one of studs but that could be a flaw and not a break-down. Any pictures of the damage to the head and piston?

Cheers,
Joris
Belgium

Pitsterpro x2 2008 · 06-04-2009, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nautha

if you were from europe, i probably suggest you the Daytona150, but in the usa, the price of this engine is way higher than here, so i tell you Lifan that you can upgrade with many parts (clutch baskets, cams,BB kits,even takegawa parts, etc..).
Beside this, remind that in the new daytona150 it is so much a Lifan inside, but have a better head&cylinder set, all the resto is like the lifan 150.
We used to race Daytonas 150 but anyways, we already easy broke a couple of them without any irregular abuse...
This is the last we broke, it has just 4hrs, oil changed every 2, and always checked and correctly warmed-up before to be used.
Others Daytona150 suffered the similar issue, connecting rod and clutch basket gear seems to be the major problems in this engine.
All comes from the new 2009 new batch (mean the second new generation batch)..

Yea I'm from Europe so you say buy the daytona while yours s*cks??

Pitsterpro x2 2008 · 06-04-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mattmoto441

You also need to adjust the clutch when hot, not cold, it will expand and will take out the slack as it moves the pressure plate and backing plate apart and closer to the actuator, then when you park it, the next day it will have alot of slack, you then adjust it and when it heats up it is too tight and starts to slip and will smoke the clutch. always deal with a loose clutch until it is warm.

as for the engine choice,, the PP155z will walk on both without trying, it is not new, as we have been testing them hard since last November giving out input and getting new samples, each one was better and better than the last until this final version was ready.
They start easy, have great power, also have the newest version of the Molkt carb with a 6mm deeper float bowl. a better ignition and much higher quality castings (also the engine is made at the same factory as the Daytona)

So you say drive with a very loose clutch cable at the cable cover ( right side of the engine)

nautha · 06-04-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitsterpro x2 2008

Yea I'm from Europe so you say buy the daytona while yours s*cks??

no man, i am trying to tell you that Daytonas 150 are very fast engines, but they are suffering some juvenile problems and IF you are from usa, it is not cheap spend $1600 dollars for a engine that can be explode after 5hrs.
For sure it is way more powerful compared to a lifan150 (stock), but lifans are cheap in the US, so make you choice and good luck.

siktendenciesracing · 06-04-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TBparts

No, was made because of the stock clutch disintegrating dampers, stripped teeth, and broken baskets. There are piles of them littered throughout shops. Do a search on PM to see all the problems people had with the stock clutch and it wasnt simply a matter of using better plates.

Exactly, I agree 100%! The TB basket is the only way to go and it isn't becuase it looks bling, but I have never seen people complain about a part that fixes a serious problem and the down fall is that it looks too bling! lol

Blackwoodz · 06-04-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nautha

no man, i am trying to tell you that Daytonas 150 are very fast engines, but they are suffering some juvenile problems and IF you are from usa, it is not cheap spend $1600 dollars for a engine that can be explode after 5hrs.
For sure it is way more powerful compared to a lifan150 (stock), but lifans are cheap in the US, so make you choice and good luck.

That sux that afew Daytona are exploding......but racing motors do that.....It also makes me appreciate the work I put into my very fast and strong YX 160 that seems to be holding up great.

So if i were going to buy any new Chinese big motor I would definitely look at Pitster's because they do stand behind every motor they sell even the ones that seemed like a total failure at one point.

Blackwoodz · 06-04-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by siktendenciesracing

Exactly, I agree 100%! The TB basket is the only way to go and it isn't becuase it looks bling, but I have never seen people complain about a part that fixes a serious problem and the down fall is that it looks too bling! lol

.the price tag for the bling is what I am getting at...why did they use a red anodize aluminum...?..because it looks like it is far superior!!!..so it must be.
The earlier baskets had issues but the newer ones have been holding up well. They have changed the rubbers to a better grade material and as long as you keep an eye on the baskets not running loose or heavy debris there is no reason to pay $200 for a clutch....unless you are just wanting to spend the money. You can buy the kevlar plates and better springs for $65.....but what do I know I spent the money for the decomp lever that took all the strain off the kicker gear bearings. If I start busting baskets I will also spend money but not until I find there is an issue with the newer rubbers not holding up.

siktendenciesracing · 06-04-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackwoodz

.the price tag for the bling is what I am getting at...why did they use a red anodize aluminum...?..because it looks like it is far superior!!!..so it must be.
The earlier baskets had issues but the newer ones have been holding up well. They have changed the rubbers to a better grade material and as long as you keep an eye on the baskets not running loose or heavy debris there is no reason to pay $200 for a clutch....unless you are just wanting to spend the money. You can buy the kevlar plates and better springs for $65.....but what do I know I spent the money for the decomp lever that took all the strain off the kicker gear bearings. If I start busting baskets I will also spend money but not until I find there is an issue with the newer rubbers not holding up.

To each his own, I myself wouldn't go to a big race that I have to travel a couple hundred miles to without making the engine as bullet proof as possible, and the Anodizing is really only a a $1.00 or so when your doing mass runs of them, and the aluminum is only $1.00 more in material cost at most, so I think it is $200.00 because that is fair market value IMO. Now would I like to pay $100 for the part,,, of course, but I am not complaining about spending $200 on a clutch basket when before you would have to spend $5000 on a CRF50 engine to get the amount of power you are getting out of a $1000 YX motor with V2 Head, D comp cam, TB CLutch and some race gas! LOL

Blackwoodz · 06-04-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by siktendenciesracing

To each his own, I myself wouldn't go to a big race that I have to travel a couple hundred miles to without making the engine as bullet proof as possible, and the Anodizing is really only a a $1.00 or so when your doing mass runs of them, and the aluminum is only $1.00 more in material cost at most, so I think it is $200.00 because that is fair market value IMO. Now would I like to pay $100 for the part,,, of course, but I am not complaining about spending $200 on a clutch basket when before you would have to spend $5000 on a CRF50 engine to get the amount of power you are getting out of a $1000 YX motor with V2 Head, D comp cam, TB CLutch and some race gas! LOL

I agree 100%....except I would never trust the decomp cam. Just like you stated to each his own. I do not race series or professionaly. And as I stated when I start having issues with the clutch disenegrating I will deal with that.... like most do not believe about the Pitster $189 American made lever price tag....I do not believe the $199 price tag for this basket is justified for another product we know is made in China...but would never bash a guy for buying what he believes in...These are just my personal opinions so no offense to anyone.

siktendenciesracing · 06-04-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackwoodz

I agree 100%....except I would never trust the decomp cam. Just like you stated to each his own. I do not race series or professionaly. And as I stated when I start having issues with the clutch disenegrating I will deal with that.... like most do not believe about the Pitster $189 American made lever price tag....I do not believe the $199 price tag for this basket is justified for another product we know is made in China...but would never bash a guy for buying what he believes in...These are just my personal opinions so no offense to anyone.

Point Well Taken,,,, and I am not bashing just showing the other side of the coin.

Pimpindahoes · 06-04-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by siktendenciesracing

Exactly, I agree 100%! The TB basket is the only way to go and it isn't becuase it looks bling, but I have never seen people complain about a part that fixes a serious problem and the down fall is that it looks too bling! lol

i was thinking the same EXACT thing.......

Blackwoodz · 06-04-2009, 09:40 PM

Yeah but the untold facts are these baskets have also broken believe it or not. There is an alternative if people wanted to know....but most people just believe what they want anyways.

TBparts · 06-04-2009, 10:51 PM

Blackwoodz,

One, we go to all the 2up and local races in the area. Last year, 2008, I personally saw 2008 models with the chinese clutches go bad. You can speak to two local dealers John McBride (McBride Sports) or Mike McAllister (Dead Mike's Pitbikes) as they are the two guys who spent tons of time fixing them. I also spoke to the Ohio guys at the 2up Nationals who were having similar problems. It was not limited to pre 2008 engines. For the 2009 models, the series is just underway here and will see how it goes at the track.

Regarding the "bling" factor. As Siktendencies pointed out, it cost virtually nothing to anodize parts and we do that simply for the product photo so it looks different from a stock cast clutch. Once on the bike, nobody sees it nor knows you have it. Look through our online catalog, we are hardly a company that focuses on bling. We don't make dress up kits, graphics, etc. The closest "bling" thing we make is covers for the manual clutches.

Then you mention the clutch kit is made in China which its not so not sure how you came up with that. Its made in Taiwan when you can get actual billet aluminum and different grades and know you will get the actual type paid for. The only two parts in the kit not made in Taiwan are two washers which are stock Jailing parts. But if you think you can make a similar product and sell to your dealers and retail at $100, you should do it.

In your last post, you mention there is alternative, but if there are no problems with stock setup as you said earlier, why mention an alternative now? Regarding our baskets breaking, please post some pics and who was it? I have not heard of one breaking from any customer with the first batch already sold out. The only one I know who had a problem was Matt from NCC/Pitster who said the something about his washers on the backside of the gear hitting the small gear. I was going to discuss with him at the last 2up race but it was running late and started to pour - had to go.
Believe it or not....

Blackwoodz · 06-04-2009, 10:59 PM

Umm I believe Taiwan is the ROC....Republic Of China.
Not going to argue about this anymore because it is pointless in a thread asking about a daytona engine.
So buyem up.

LasVegasStreetterror · 06-04-2009, 11:18 PM

I grabbed the large popcorn for this

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Pitsterpro x2 2008 · 06-05-2009, 07:50 AM

So what you all said is that I should buy a lifan a get a decent clutch for it

because they are cheap an good right?

The new lifan should be used with very loose clutch or you will fry the plates. I learned much in this thread

More handy info??

nautha · 06-05-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by themountain

Wow , Nautha , that engine looks fun...

...now I am completely dazzled...if Zong didn`t get their shi! together with this daytonas , what will be with the new engine..???

...specially when comes to making some more than the few Pitstersamples...??

bhuaaaabhuaaa

that is barely true buddy, and imagine that this happened just 20 meters before a big double jump...

I was enough lucky to not be able to jump it...

06-04-2009, 07:31 AM	#22 (permalink)
nautha 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Italy Posts: 462	Re: Lifan 150cc (daytona look) or daytona 150cc if you were from europe, i probably suggest you the Daytona150, but in the usa, the price of this engine is way higher than here, so i tell you Lifan that you can upgrade with many parts (clutch baskets, cams,BB kits,even takegawa parts, etc..). Beside this, remind that in the new daytona150 it is so much a Lifan inside, but have a better head&cylinder set, all the resto is like the lifan 150. We used to race Daytonas 150 but anyways, we already easy broke a couple of them without any irregular abuse... This is the last we broke, it has just 4hrs, oil changed every 2, and always checked and correctly warmed-up before to be used. Others Daytona150 suffered the similar issue, connecting rod and clutch basket gear seems to be the major problems in this engine. All comes from the new 2009 new batch (mean the second new generation batch)..

06-04-2009, 07:49 AM	#23 (permalink)
sagaone 1st Gear Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 170 My Mood:	Re: Lifan 150cc (daytona look) or daytona 150cc ^^^nothing a bit of jb cant fix eyy

06-04-2009, 08:14 AM	#24 (permalink)
sipke PM Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: blancoracing.com Posts: 58	Re: Lifan 150cc (daytona look) or daytona 150cc Nautha, am seeing it correctely that you use sealant instead of a basegasket on the cilinder? If yes, what piston to head clearance did you use? We've had no problems with the 150 of this kind with the exception of stripped threads on one of studs but that could be a flaw and not a break-down. Any pictures of the damage to the head and piston? Cheers, Joris Belgium

06-04-2009, 09:40 PM	#35 (permalink)
Blackwoodz 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SC Michigan Posts: 3,626	Re: Lifan 150cc (daytona look) or daytona 150cc Yeah but the untold facts are these baskets have also broken believe it or not. There is an alternative if people wanted to know....but most people just believe what they want anyways.

06-04-2009, 10:51 PM	#36 (permalink)
TBparts Advertiser Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hanover, MD Posts: 31	Re: Lifan 150cc (daytona look) or daytona 150cc Blackwoodz, One, we go to all the 2up and local races in the area. Last year, 2008, I personally saw 2008 models with the chinese clutches go bad. You can speak to two local dealers John McBride (McBride Sports) or Mike McAllister (Dead Mike's Pitbikes) as they are the two guys who spent tons of time fixing them. I also spoke to the Ohio guys at the 2up Nationals who were having similar problems. It was not limited to pre 2008 engines. For the 2009 models, the series is just underway here and will see how it goes at the track. Regarding the "bling" factor. As Siktendencies pointed out, it cost virtually nothing to anodize parts and we do that simply for the product photo so it looks different from a stock cast clutch. Once on the bike, nobody sees it nor knows you have it. Look through our online catalog, we are hardly a company that focuses on bling. We don't make dress up kits, graphics, etc. The closest "bling" thing we make is covers for the manual clutches. Then you mention the clutch kit is made in China which its not so not sure how you came up with that. Its made in Taiwan when you can get actual billet aluminum and different grades and know you will get the actual type paid for. The only two parts in the kit not made in Taiwan are two washers which are stock Jailing parts. But if you think you can make a similar product and sell to your dealers and retail at $100, you should do it. In your last post, you mention there is alternative, but if there are no problems with stock setup as you said earlier, why mention an alternative now? Regarding our baskets breaking, please post some pics and who was it? I have not heard of one breaking from any customer with the first batch already sold out. The only one I know who had a problem was Matt from NCC/Pitster who said the something about his washers on the backside of the gear hitting the small gear. I was going to discuss with him at the last 2up race but it was running late and started to pour - had to go. Believe it or not.... __________________ TBparts.com The Internet Resource for Vintage OEM, Reproduction and Performance Parts Last edited by TBparts; 06-04-2009 at 11:41 PM.

06-04-2009, 10:59 PM	#37 (permalink)
Blackwoodz 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SC Michigan Posts: 3,626	Re: Lifan 150cc (daytona look) or daytona 150cc Umm I believe Taiwan is the ROC....Republic Of China. Not going to argue about this anymore because it is pointless in a thread asking about a daytona engine. So buyem up.

06-04-2009, 11:18 PM	#38 (permalink)
LasVegasStreetterror 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,091 My Mood:	Re: Lifan 150cc (daytona look) or daytona 150cc I grabbed the large popcorn for this ..

06-05-2009, 07:50 AM	#39 (permalink)
Pitsterpro x2 2008 PM Newbie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 14	Re: Lifan 150cc (daytona look) or daytona 150cc So what you all said is that I should buy a lifan a get a decent clutch for it because they are cheap an good right? The new lifan should be used with very loose clutch or you will fry the plates. I learned much in this thread More handy info??

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