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HRC

I'm just talking about people in general. It's kind of funny though when he companies were making billions just a few short years ago..... noone minded how much we were paid.

Also, if import plants are NOT union and don't have union "forced" contracts..... then why are import workers wages about the same as our union wages? Like I said earlier, companies KNOW they have to pay well or they would have a hard time running a plant with workers walking out daily. I'm just SAYING that YES, auto workers deserve every penny they make and our wages ARE competitive with non union plants in the industry. Why is that? Always keep in mind..... that UAW labor makes up ONLY 8%-10% of the cost to build an auto. Sounds good for both sides!!!

One last fact..... the unions are not the cause of whats going on in the industry right now. Management has made many mistakes.... and the real reason things are bad is the economy...... NOT THE UNIONS! The companies are actually quite happy with the contracts they sign and they VALUE the UAW. Weird, huh? The company values the union while fellow hard working americans bash the unions who are actually helping them!!!


Again...... if the unions go.... so does the middle class! Anybody want that???? Of course you don't..... so people REALLY need to rethink some stuff...... BIGTIME.

schofell84

McDonald workers make a lot of burgers a day, and they do more actions than torquing 5 bolts a time to make a burger. They also have to learn how to do more than one thing in an assembly line. Sure your body gets tore on, I'll never take that away from you, but you get decent health care in return. Ask the McDonald guy what he gets for health coverage, or the rest of blue collar America. Here's another way to think of it. A technician fixes a car which actually requires thought and the physical sacrifice aspect. Does he get anywhere near the pay of a UAW worker or the benefits? Very, very rarely. A man who works for his self builds hot rods for a living, from SCRATCH. Turns millions of bolts, fabricates, solves problems. Will he ever see UAW like pay or benefits? not even close, he'd have to be one of the best of the best. I'm not trying to take away what UAW workers have done for all of us, as they've helped greatly make America what it is today, but its time to start making some recessions. My father works with GM (non-union) and says its disgusting what the guys there get away with. My father worked for 56k+ a year with stock options before this. He also has a college education and an excellent resume. He lost his job and took a new one because he had to pay the bills. He now makes a touch over 20k a year, but he has a job. Now on the other hand, a senior pallet pushers makes 38/hr and refuses to take a pay cut, although his wages are a major contributor to the fact hes about to lose his job. Time to get real guys. What exactly makes his pallet pushing skills worth 38 dollars an hour? Give him 16/hr and the benefits and I will have no gripes. I would push the pallet for 10/hr and benefits and not complain once.

your argument of UAW pay vs. import auto workers? What relevance does it have? Ford isn't Honda, nor is Dodge, Toyota. You should pay what you believe the labor is worth or what you can afford, not what someone else does. If you can't afford to match their pay (IE damn near bankrupt GM and Daimler Chrysler), TOO BAD. Find someone who will do it for less. I'm sure there's a few people in Flint, Michigan who would work for less than the Toyota guys, and there are plenty of people in my home town who would kill for a job with benefits.


Again, I'm not talking anything away from your work ethic or saying you don't deserve nice things like decent pay or benefits. I'm trying to say that its gotten totally out of hand. Christ, my mother is an Emergency Room nurse, and a damn good one at that, and she struggles to match the pay of a senior UAW worker. Lets try to compare skills vs. pay in this situation, it just doesn't make any sense.

HRC

How is the wages too high and since when are they demanded? What about import workers???? Why are they paid about the same as union wages? Maybe the company thinks it's worth it??? The workers didn't demand it did they?? If not...then WHY are they paid so well? Why is that people think the union forces the company to pay so much yet they NEVER say anything about import workers who are paid the same? Hmmmmm.

The thinking of most people in general is entirely wrong. It's NOT that unions pay too much.... whether anyone thinks they do or or not. It's that most people are UNDER PAID and over worked. It just doesn't seem fair to those who are not making a good wage but instead of complaining about union wages.... people should start complaining about their own job!!!! Take a stand! Join together with coworkers. Fight for better pay and benefits.... instead of complaining about others who make a good wage. Unions are a good thing, people. They are good for ALL workers and I just don't understand how some people can't understand that. With that said.... sure unions are not needed as much as they were back in the day but they ARE still needed!!!

Just think if there were no middle class in this country. For real... think long and hard about that. A good paying job would pay $10 an hour.... and you'd need numerous degrees.

tysonb

I found this site:

American Honda Finance Corporation in Charlotte | Average Salary: $55,000 |

Says average worker pay is $55000.

Found this site:

Japan’s auto workers get pay raises (a bit) and better bonuses Japan Economy News & Blog - Business, Economy, Marketing and Economic Reports

After that, we got a look at the breakdown in numbers: Toyota will increase its workers’ average monthly base pay by 1,000 yen ($8.55 at today’s rate), or about 6.25 yen per hour. Honda is set to increase monthly base pay by 900 yen ($7.69), or 5.63 yen per hour, and Nissan workers will be bringing home an average of 6,700 yen more per month next year ($57.26, or 41.88 more yen per hour).

So it looks like the only company that meets your thoughts of Honda, Toyota and Nissian is that Nissian is paying the same wages but Honda and Toyota are not.

Now if you really want to rock the boat read this link on the nation of idiots and check out the links you'll poop yourself:

Newsvine - We'll Bail Out GM Because We're a Nation of Idiots!

tysonb

Just think if there were no middle class in this country. For real... think long and hard about that. A good paying job would pay $10 an hour.... and you'd need numerous degrees. [/QUOTE]

That's what teahers and cops do bro, and I'm one of those two, we serve and get pooped on everyday, even with our degrees.

HRC

Trust me..... almost all autoworkers are paid the same regardless of what company they are working for. Plus, people think we make soooo much money.... but we don't. We get taxed heavily and only make decent money when we are on an overtime schedule. Some idiots even base their finances on overtime and then freak out that they can't pay all their bills working only 40 hours. That's just dumb.

Teachers and police officers are the most underpaid workers out there. I never understood why because it's an extremely important job and both usually belong to a union. Maybe it's because there isn't enough tax dollars to pay them more? When it comes to auto companies(outside of a recession) there is billions to go around. I remember a few year stretch when they even handed out annual profit sharing checks of 13K, 10K, and 7K. That was about 10 years ago though. Now we get a coupon for a free cookie from the cafeteria. (inside joke)

shmalphy

Auto workers are OVERPAID. They have torn down the auto industy. I LOVE when people complain that there is no opportunity to make money, or they complain they are stuck in a low paying go nowhere job. I make 3 times what a teacher or cop makes and I make cold calls all day. I have no degree.

schofell84

A. I'd like to see you make 100k+ a year making cold calls. If so, everyone on earth besides you shmucks are retarded and maybe there is a reason i get calls at 5AM for some BS.
B. You're a prick. I hate you mutherfunkers. Get a real job.

joeskin

ahahahah lol