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horde · 03-04-2008, 02:31 AM

hey gents, hope someone can shed a little light on a subject for me...

The following question relates to a K3 z50:

***theoretically***** if I was to strip my bike down to the frame only and cut and add a few inches to it (increasing the length of the frame) at about the mid underneath tank area, would there be any advese handling issues.
(note: if this were to be done it would be approx 3" addition, and a 3" rear swinger would also be employed......)

2nd side question: I'm based in Australia and am in need of new OEM honda parts for my "restoration". Can anyone recommend a good US supplier that are happy to sell to O/S customers?

Cheers
Horde...

DAX MATT · 03-04-2008, 07:01 AM

Hi there,its not a major job to do,my brother did one last year and I have put 1 and half " in a z50a this year,on my brothers last year it had 2" put in the head tube and it ran a +16 swinger on it,to add to that it was also lowered 2 and a quater inches,it does affect the handling a bit in the way that its a bit more twitchy but they still corner pretty well,the only problems my bro had was catching his feet on the floor all the time but that was down to it being lowered,will try and get some pics up of it

cheers matt

DAX MATT · 03-04-2008, 04:26 PM

heres a picture of my brothers bike,its not a great pic but you can get the idea

yoshi005 pictures from friends & fun photos on webshots

cheers matt

arlindsay1992 · 03-04-2008, 04:43 PM

Picture doesn't work.

DAX MATT · 03-04-2008, 04:52 PM

link sorted now

cheers matt

arlindsay1992 · 03-04-2008, 05:07 PM

To answer questions from original post:

Handling would be affected in a good way. Longer wheelbase = better handling. I have a +4 swingarm and just that makes the bike handle a lot better. You are suggesting a +3 frame and a +3 swingarm totaling +6 overall. I would say that it would be a lot more stable at speed. For road it would be great. If you are riding trails or track, I would say it's not going to be much better than a +4 swingarm alone. Longer wheelbase is stable, shorter wheelbase is more responsive and turns faster. It's one or the other or a compromise. Just like speed and torque when you work with gearing.

I'm not sure on the shipping problem. I'm sure that there are some places that will ship to Aus. E-mail and ask. They might charge extra on top of shipping, might not. Depends on the distributer. There may even be members on here willing to be a middle man and buy from dealer and ship to you.

patman · 03-04-2008, 08:51 PM

What kind of material do you use to stretch them?I want to stretch mine out a few inches.

horde · 03-05-2008, 02:16 AM

Cool, cheers for the info and the pic! The stretching part should be fairly straight forward, im assuming I'll just cut the thing square in half, machine up a piece of pipe approx 7" long, machined at the ends to slide into each end of the frame and then TIG it up.

Anyone give me some advice on the better parts people out there?

vmlopes · 03-05-2008, 06:59 AM

For standard Honda parts you can go much wrong with CMSNL.COM

Victor

Wurms · 03-05-2008, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horde

Cool, cheers for the info and the pic! The stretching part should be fairly straight forward, im assuming I'll just cut the thing square in half, machine up a piece of pipe approx 7" long, machined at the ends to slide into each end of the frame and then TIG it up.

Anyone give me some advice on the better parts people out there?

I would use more support than that if I were to attempt it, but that's me.

DAX MATT, Your bro's bike is sweet. I talked to him over on ebay uk. Nice guy..

horde · 03-10-2008, 02:56 AM

that certainly is a sweet bike! My plan is for it to be a little more compact than that, however fit the monster 8" tyres and not have them fowl on the head, swinger, etc

As far as parts ordering go, I'm in the works of ordering some bits and pieces from CHP, prices seemed reasonable, relatively quick on the reply emails.....

03-04-2008, 02:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
horde 1st Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 121	frame hacking hey gents, hope someone can shed a little light on a subject for me... The following question relates to a K3 z50: *theoretically*** if I was to strip my bike down to the frame only and cut and add a few inches to it (increasing the length of the frame) at about the mid underneath tank area, would there be any advese handling issues. (note: if this were to be done it would be approx 3" addition, and a 3" rear swinger would also be employed......) 2nd side question: I'm based in Australia and am in need of new OEM honda parts for my "restoration". Can anyone recommend a good US supplier that are happy to sell to O/S customers? Cheers Horde... Attached Thumbnails Last edited by horde; 03-04-2008 at 06:03 AM.

03-04-2008, 07:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
DAX MATT PM Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: england Posts: 60	Re: frame hacking Hi there,its not a major job to do,my brother did one last year and I have put 1 and half " in a z50a this year,on my brothers last year it had 2" put in the head tube and it ran a +16 swinger on it,to add to that it was also lowered 2 and a quater inches,it does affect the handling a bit in the way that its a bit more twitchy but they still corner pretty well,the only problems my bro had was catching his feet on the floor all the time but that was down to it being lowered,will try and get some pics up of it cheers matt

03-04-2008, 04:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
DAX MATT PM Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: england Posts: 60	Re: frame hacking heres a picture of my brothers bike,its not a great pic but you can get the idea yoshi005 pictures from friends & fun photos on webshots cheers matt Last edited by DAX MATT; 03-04-2008 at 04:51 PM.

03-04-2008, 04:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
arlindsay1992 "High Speed Record Guy" Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 4,369	Re: frame hacking Picture doesn't work.

03-04-2008, 04:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
DAX MATT PM Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: england Posts: 60	Re: frame hacking link sorted now cheers matt

03-04-2008, 05:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
arlindsay1992 "High Speed Record Guy" Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 4,369	Re: frame hacking To answer questions from original post: Handling would be affected in a good way. Longer wheelbase = better handling. I have a +4 swingarm and just that makes the bike handle a lot better. You are suggesting a +3 frame and a +3 swingarm totaling +6 overall. I would say that it would be a lot more stable at speed. For road it would be great. If you are riding trails or track, I would say it's not going to be much better than a +4 swingarm alone. Longer wheelbase is stable, shorter wheelbase is more responsive and turns faster. It's one or the other or a compromise. Just like speed and torque when you work with gearing. I'm not sure on the shipping problem. I'm sure that there are some places that will ship to Aus. E-mail and ask. They might charge extra on top of shipping, might not. Depends on the distributer. There may even be members on here willing to be a middle man and buy from dealer and ship to you.

03-04-2008, 08:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
patman 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,211	Re: frame hacking What kind of material do you use to stretch them?I want to stretch mine out a few inches.

03-05-2008, 02:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
horde 1st Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 121	Re: frame hacking Cool, cheers for the info and the pic! The stretching part should be fairly straight forward, im assuming I'll just cut the thing square in half, machine up a piece of pipe approx 7" long, machined at the ends to slide into each end of the frame and then TIG it up. Anyone give me some advice on the better parts people out there?

03-05-2008, 06:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
vmlopes PM Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: UK Posts: 74	Re: frame hacking For standard Honda parts you can go much wrong with CMSNL.COM Victor

03-10-2008, 02:56 AM	#11 (permalink)
horde 1st Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 121	Re: frame hacking that certainly is a sweet bike! My plan is for it to be a little more compact than that, however fit the monster 8" tyres and not have them fowl on the head, swinger, etc As far as parts ordering go, I'm in the works of ordering some bits and pieces from CHP, prices seemed reasonable, relatively quick on the reply emails.....

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