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nlipshutz · 03-10-2009, 05:45 PM

Someone must have taken the clutch off before, because this screw is jacked. I tried an impact driver to get it out but i got no where... Please help

xr1million · 03-10-2009, 05:56 PM

what screw.....

ezsk8er66 · 03-10-2009, 06:00 PM

you might be able to use an e-z out, a small one

nlipshutz · 03-10-2009, 06:10 PM

1 of the ones that hold on the outer clutch cover

monaghan · 03-10-2009, 06:12 PM

heat it up, its most likely lock tighted

ezsk8er66 · 03-10-2009, 06:18 PM

is it just supertight or rounded out

Flipside · 03-10-2009, 06:30 PM

Post a picture. DO NOT HEAT THE SCREW! You will change its temper and could make things worse.

nlipshutz · 03-10-2009, 06:31 PM

Both.... I just tried tapping a bigger bit into it, i can get a descent grip, but now it just feels supertight...

xr1million · 03-10-2009, 06:34 PM

bigger hammer!!!!!!!!!!!

Flipside · 03-10-2009, 06:35 PM

Does it move at all? Is it reverse thread maybe? The larger bit it the right way to go, just be patient.

nlipshutz · 03-10-2009, 06:42 PM

Well i got the other two to come out and they werent reverse thread or locktighted??

Heres a pic, it's the one in the middle

Flipside · 03-10-2009, 06:48 PM

You have a hand held impact driver you said? If so your larger bit that now fits in the screw, will it fit the driver? If so with all your strength hold the driver into the screw and twist to loosen while giving the end of the driver a good hit with a heavy hammer. The hard twisting without slipping the bit is key! Sometimes an extra set of hands helps. You can argue over who swings hammer and who holds driver

xr1million · 03-10-2009, 07:05 PM

use a punch on the outer part of the head and tap it and it will break loose!!!!!!!

If you break the had off dont worry, the rest of the screw will come out easily, the taper on the head and the clutch bearing retainer piece usually lock together pretty good!

FUEL · 03-10-2009, 07:15 PM

If you have an angle grinder with a thin metal cutting blade you may be able to cut a slot into it which will enable you to use a big moby slotted screwdriver. The screwdriver should have a square shaft that you can place a large crescent around to gain some leverage on.

DO NOT USE AN E-Z OUT!!!!!!!!!! e-z outs break, and when they break you are then stuck with having to get the "tool steel" out which is a pain in the ass because it requires a special carbide drill bit.

If it is too stripped and too tight and you cannot get it out, last resort should be to get a tap for the same size threads the bolt has with the special sized drill bit specified for the tap. Then, you can drill out the bolt and re-tap the threads to the original size.

you can also try using an impact screwdriver like the one shown here, as you hit it with a hammer it twists, make sure it is set to turn counter-clockwise before striking it, as you can use it to tighten as well.

OTC - 1/2" Drive Impact Screwdriver (OTC4607)

You might try this new product as well, although it looks like it is more for rusted bolts.

Welcome to: Loctite® Freeze & Release

Or, if you have a can of electronics air duster, you can turn it upside down and spray it and it will spray-freeze as well.

Hopefully one of these techniques, or a combination of these techniques will that get that bad boy out, good luck!!!

HymieP · 03-10-2009, 07:37 PM

I agree with Fuel also. Mine did this and I took the smallest/thinnest cut-off blade on my Dremel and made a very slight cut where a flathead could get a good hold. After a few minutes and a beer, it came loose.

dirtbkr188 · 03-10-2009, 07:57 PM

Drill the head out with a 7/64" drill bit, once the head starts to spin, stop drilling. Remove the cover, and you can then unthread what's left of the machine screw by hand. Been there, done that...

fatcaaat · 03-10-2009, 08:22 PM

Sears now carries a set of extractors that was the #1 most must have tool on a tv show I saw It has two ends...one side is a hardened little raspy thing that cuts out the slots and burnishes the hole hot from bluing. Then you flip it and put your drill on reverse and the thing comes right out. I plan on buying a set next time I'm at sears.

Craftsman 4 pc. Drill-Out Power Extractor - 450SR at Sears.com

Cheaper ones:

Craftsman 3 pc. Screw-Out™ Damaged Screw Remover Set - 52154 at Sears.com

mikemay · 03-10-2009, 08:34 PM

Not sure but you might be able to tap in with a smaller tap smaller then the screw reverse taped, then screw a hex screw into the striped screw reversed and un-screw it that way

LoudFastUgly · 03-10-2009, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtbkr188

Drill the head out with a 7/64" drill bit, once the head starts to spin, stop drilling. Remove the cover, and you can then unthread what's left of the machine screw by hand. Been there, done that...

+3, that is 3 times on the same plate! Stupid JIS screws.

hornetgod · 03-11-2009, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtbkr188

Drill the head out with a 7/64" drill bit, once the head starts to spin, stop drilling. Remove the cover, and you can then unthread what's left of the machine screw by hand. Been there, done that...

This is exactally what I did. Make sure you cover up the clutch and inside of the case to prevent the metal shavings from getting everywhere. New screws are still readily available from Honda Parts.

03-10-2009, 05:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
nlipshutz 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 309 My Mood:	Help!! Messed up screw Someone must have taken the clutch off before, because this screw is jacked. I tried an impact driver to get it out but i got no where... Please help

03-10-2009, 05:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
xr1million 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Just south of hell, FL Posts: 4,812 My Mood:	Re: Help!! Messed up screw what screw.....

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ezsk8er66 PM Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 6	Re: Help!! Messed up screw you might be able to use an e-z out, a small one

03-10-2009, 06:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
nlipshutz 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 309 My Mood:	Re: Help!! Messed up screw 1 of the ones that hold on the outer clutch cover

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monaghan 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 967 My Mood:	Re: Help!! Messed up screw heat it up, its most likely lock tighted

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ezsk8er66 PM Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 6	Re: Help!! Messed up screw is it just supertight or rounded out

03-10-2009, 06:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Flipside PM Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA Posts: 9	Re: Help!! Messed up screw Post a picture. DO NOT HEAT THE SCREW! You will change its temper and could make things worse.

03-10-2009, 06:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
nlipshutz 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 309 My Mood:	Re: Help!! Messed up screw Both.... I just tried tapping a bigger bit into it, i can get a descent grip, but now it just feels supertight...

03-10-2009, 06:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
xr1million 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Just south of hell, FL Posts: 4,812 My Mood:	Re: Help!! Messed up screw bigger hammer!!!!!!!!!!!

03-10-2009, 06:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
Flipside PM Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA Posts: 9	Re: Help!! Messed up screw Does it move at all? Is it reverse thread maybe? The larger bit it the right way to go, just be patient.

03-10-2009, 06:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
nlipshutz 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 309 My Mood:	Re: Help!! Messed up screw Well i got the other two to come out and they werent reverse thread or locktighted?? Heres a pic, it's the one in the middle Attached Thumbnails

03-10-2009, 06:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Flipside PM Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA Posts: 9	Re: Help!! Messed up screw You have a hand held impact driver you said? If so your larger bit that now fits in the screw, will it fit the driver? If so with all your strength hold the driver into the screw and twist to loosen while giving the end of the driver a good hit with a heavy hammer. The hard twisting without slipping the bit is key! Sometimes an extra set of hands helps. You can argue over who swings hammer and who holds driver

03-10-2009, 07:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
xr1million 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Just south of hell, FL Posts: 4,812 My Mood:	Re: Help!! Messed up screw use a punch on the outer part of the head and tap it and it will break loose!!!!!!! If you break the had off dont worry, the rest of the screw will come out easily, the taper on the head and the clutch bearing retainer piece usually lock together pretty good!

03-10-2009, 07:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
FUEL PM Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1	Re: Help!! Messed up screw If you have an angle grinder with a thin metal cutting blade you may be able to cut a slot into it which will enable you to use a big moby slotted screwdriver. The screwdriver should have a square shaft that you can place a large crescent around to gain some leverage on. DO NOT USE AN E-Z OUT!!!!!!!!!! e-z outs break, and when they break you are then stuck with having to get the "tool steel" out which is a pain in the ass because it requires a special carbide drill bit. If it is too stripped and too tight and you cannot get it out, last resort should be to get a tap for the same size threads the bolt has with the special sized drill bit specified for the tap. Then, you can drill out the bolt and re-tap the threads to the original size. you can also try using an impact screwdriver like the one shown here, as you hit it with a hammer it twists, make sure it is set to turn counter-clockwise before striking it, as you can use it to tighten as well. OTC - 1/2" Drive Impact Screwdriver (OTC4607) You might try this new product as well, although it looks like it is more for rusted bolts. Welcome to: Loctite® Freeze & Release Or, if you have a can of electronics air duster, you can turn it upside down and spray it and it will spray-freeze as well. Hopefully one of these techniques, or a combination of these techniques will that get that bad boy out, good luck!!!

03-10-2009, 07:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
HymieP 2nd Gear Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 301	Re: Help!! Messed up screw I agree with Fuel also. Mine did this and I took the smallest/thinnest cut-off blade on my Dremel and made a very slight cut where a flathead could get a good hold. After a few minutes and a beer, it came loose.

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03-10-2009, 07:57 PM	#16 (permalink)
dirtbkr188 3rd Gear Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,972	Re: Help!! Messed up screw Drill the head out with a 7/64" drill bit, once the head starts to spin, stop drilling. Remove the cover, and you can then unthread what's left of the machine screw by hand. Been there, done that...

03-10-2009, 08:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
fatcaaat 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 3,780	Re: Help!! Messed up screw Sears now carries a set of extractors that was the #1 most must have tool on a tv show I saw It has two ends...one side is a hardened little raspy thing that cuts out the slots and burnishes the hole hot from bluing. Then you flip it and put your drill on reverse and the thing comes right out. I plan on buying a set next time I'm at sears. Craftsman 4 pc. Drill-Out Power Extractor - 450SR at Sears.com Cheaper ones: Craftsman 3 pc. Screw-Out™ Damaged Screw Remover Set - 52154 at Sears.com Last edited by fatcaaat; 03-10-2009 at 08:26 PM.

03-10-2009, 08:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
mikemay PM Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 73	Re: Help!! Messed up screw Not sure but you might be able to tap in with a smaller tap smaller then the screw reverse taped, then screw a hex screw into the striped screw reversed and un-screw it that way