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redhandmoto · 05-06-2009, 11:42 AM

Sons-of-Heaven! Lifan CT70 Curse!

Big day for personal firsts - first busted knuckle with grease dressing, first use of unGodly curses since I left active duty, first thrown wrench...

Got in my 17T/34T sprockets and set out to change 'em. Removed the front sprocket cover, wedged a piece of 2x4 strategically, poppped oof the master chain link clip, and change counter sprockets just like that.

"Oh, Boy," I thought, like a chump, this is gonna be a piece o' cake. Or tofu."

But no. Went to loosen the rear axle nut. Noted the big booger of Chinese locktite on it, shrugged, and went to heavin'.

Merciful God, how much torque was applied to this thing? Will NOT budge; beat on the ratchet handle with a ball peen - nada. Many heaves later, the whole thing turned a skosh - but because the loctite glob acts as a witness mark, I could see that it hadn't actually loosened.

Am I missing something? Did the guy in the plant apply his impact wrench and go to lunch leaving it running? Is it staked? Is it pinned? Is it welded?

I apply the tip of a tiny propane torch to the end, trying to heat things a little without drawing the temper. But no.

What am I doing wrong - I must be. I'll go now and change knuckle bandaids and await the kindness of a passing sage...

UPDATE - Threw the tarp over everything and left the field of battle. Typing one-handed now; for though I took up the ball-peen to smite the ratchet handle anew, fury spoiled my aim and I laid open the web of flesh between the thumb and forefinger...Riding off now to get a stitch or two...

reynolds_brad · 05-06-2009, 11:53 AM

doopsx3 · 05-06-2009, 11:54 AM

(first use of unGodly curses since I left active duty)
well I am still there and can give u a daily dose if needed

redhandmoto · 05-06-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by reynolds_brad

Oh, no; this calls for a Sawzall...

Neighbor's here to drive to ER & Harbor Freight for an Impact wrench...

gstegman · 05-06-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by doopsx3

I am still there and can give u a daily dose if needed

Thanks to both of you for your service!

doopsx3 · 05-06-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gstegman

Thanks to both of you for your service!

Your very much welcome.

dsrt4 · 05-06-2009, 02:54 PM

That Sucks. I had the same go round with both of my late 70 ct-70's I have.
I ended up having to use a Impact on both of them. Its a wonder how they didn't just bust the threads off tightening it down that much...

Maybe Lifan just looked at a old ct and said "If theirs were on that tight ours will be too"

Lifan does use some stout thread locker now that's for sure! I knew what I was up against before I did my gear swap, I had the impact ready to go and got the nut it off relatively easy. I did bust a knuckle on the First old Ct though before resorting to using the Impact.

fatcaaat · 05-06-2009, 03:01 PM

Where are you located? I am in Arlington and know these CT70s and Clones inside and out. When you get that thing street legal, we should go ride.

If you are close, I am sure I could help you get it apart.

CrawlerD · 05-06-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gstegman

Thanks to both of you for your service!

I second that! Thanks!

arlindsay1992 · 05-06-2009, 04:31 PM

Maybe we should set up a Northern Virginia group mini ride...

As for the axle nut, impact wrench, or a longer lever.

HymieP · 05-06-2009, 04:34 PM

Redhand,
Had a trying day, logged on here and lmao. Funny, funny, sorry to laugh at your misfortune, we all have been there. Got pissed the other night threw a screwdriver, ricocheted (sp) and hit and broke brand new Craftsman worklight, shattered into a gazillion pieces and filled every bag, box and open orfice it could find with Halogen shrapmetal/glass. Some of the words I came up with even impressed me! Never have my neighbors heard such going on in their life. Extremely religious guy behind us did not appreciate my verbage! LOL

redhandmoto · 05-06-2009, 04:38 PM

Much later that same day...

Thanks, Gents. ER was the usual Dantean limbo, and the questions they ask in triage are more interesting than ever ("Been to Mexico lately? Use any recreational drugs? Do you feel safe in your home environment?"). Says interesting things about modern culture. I liked that last one - means I'm finally old enough to be subject to 'elder abuse'.

Anyway, a student PA put in three stitches. Didn't Mick Jagger do this once for "Rolling Stone"?:

Bruddas, once the rains cease tomorrow a.m., Ah'm own ride the GTS down to Harbor Freight in Woodbridge and get a Chinese inmpact wrench for this Chinese bike, assuming I have sufficient prehensile function to work the brakes. New tools! Woo Hoo!

fatcaaat, I'm just up 29 in Falls Church. The stitches were done at Arlington Hospital (which I refuse to call 'Virginia Medical Center.' I'll shoot ya a pm when I get the tags on't..

dsrt4, I also thought I was gonna be faced with insufficient fastening, but no; once the idea of locktite caught on in the PRC, those dudes really took it to heart..

redhandmoto · 05-06-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HymieP

Redhand,
Had a trying day, logged on here and lmao. Funny, funny, sorry to laugh at your misfortune, we all have been there. Got pissed the other night threw a screwdriver, ricocheted (sp) and hit and broke brand new Craftsman worklight, shattered into a gazillion pieces and filled every bag, box and open orfice it could find with Halogen shrapmetal/glass. Some of the words I came up with even impressed me! Never have my neighbors heard such going on in their life. Extremely religious guy behind us did not appreciate my verbage! LOL

Hey! Colorful expletives work, Hymie, in stress relief, ; not long ago, I heard a new (to me) one from a younger guy, and put it through field trials about 1:30 today: "Well, Fawkety-fawk McFawkerson!". And it's raining again or I'd be out in the back yard looking for my ball-peen...

fatcaaat · 05-06-2009, 05:20 PM

I had my appendix taken out at "Arlington Hospital" What a butcher job....;(

redhandmoto · 05-06-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fatcaaat

I had my appendix taken out at "Arlington Hospital" What a butcher job....;(

Did you get a lollipop? Or a sticker? PA said the cheap bastidges no longer give out stickers - for real' cost-cutting.

And I'd stopped crying & everything...

redhandmoto · 05-06-2009, 06:58 PM

Anyone have any experience of the cheap-o (sub-$100) electric Impact Wrenches carried by Harbor Freight?. Will they perform adequately for light, occasional, duty?

When ya need it, ya need it; I don't mind spending a couple big bills for something I'll use all the time, but it would be nice to have one available for the infrequent times I'll need it.

dsrt4 · 05-06-2009, 07:03 PM

My Father has the harbor frieght electric impact.

It works fine for him. He uses it on wheel lugs on his big tractor and it does the job for him.

redhandmoto · 05-06-2009, 07:24 PM

Good to hear. I'll look over the amp ratings and heavy-lifting numbers tomorrow.

Harbor Freight - you can never go in & buy just one thing. Need a new pack of red shop rags anyhow. And a blower. And some tiny ring clamps. And...

FastMC · 05-06-2009, 10:36 PM

I'm gonna have to apologize for laughing at your misfortune too, but this thread had me in stitches...

I take it (judging by your username) this happens often ?

redhandmoto · 05-06-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FastMC

I'm gonna have to apologize for laughing at your misfortune too, but this thread had me in stitches...

I take it (judging by your username) this happens often ?

Yep. If there's no trauma, it ain't real. Once put a sheetrock screw through the end of my finger - my, how the gore did fly...

05-06-2009, 11:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
redhandmoto 1st Gear Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NoVA Posts: 101 My Mood:	Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... Sons-of-Heaven! Lifan CT70 Curse! Big day for personal firsts - first busted knuckle with grease dressing, first use of unGodly curses since I left active duty, first thrown wrench... Got in my 17T/34T sprockets and set out to change 'em. Removed the front sprocket cover, wedged a piece of 2x4 strategically, poppped oof the master chain link clip, and change counter sprockets just like that. "Oh, Boy," I thought, like a chump, this is gonna be a piece o' cake. Or tofu." But no. Went to loosen the rear axle nut. Noted the big booger of Chinese locktite on it, shrugged, and went to heavin'. Merciful God, how much torque was applied to this thing? Will NOT budge; beat on the ratchet handle with a ball peen - nada. Many heaves later, the whole thing turned a skosh - but because the loctite glob acts as a witness mark, I could see that it hadn't actually loosened. Am I missing something? Did the guy in the plant apply his impact wrench and go to lunch leaving it running? Is it staked? Is it pinned? Is it welded? I apply the tip of a tiny propane torch to the end, trying to heat things a little without drawing the temper. But no. What am I doing wrong - I must be. I'll go now and change knuckle bandaids and await the kindness of a passing sage... UPDATE - Threw the tarp over everything and left the field of battle. Typing one-handed now; for though I took up the ball-peen to smite the ratchet handle anew, fury spoiled my aim and I laid open the web of flesh between the thumb and forefinger...Riding off now to get a stitch or two... Last edited by redhandmoto; 05-06-2009 at 04:50 PM.

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doopsx3 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,926 My Mood:	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... (first use of unGodly curses since I left active duty) well I am still there and can give u a daily dose if needed

05-06-2009, 02:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
dsrt4 1st Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 181 My Mood:	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... That Sucks. I had the same go round with both of my late 70 ct-70's I have. I ended up having to use a Impact on both of them. Its a wonder how they didn't just bust the threads off tightening it down that much... Maybe Lifan just looked at a old ct and said "If theirs were on that tight ours will be too" Lifan does use some stout thread locker now that's for sure! I knew what I was up against before I did my gear swap, I had the impact ready to go and got the nut it off relatively easy. I did bust a knuckle on the First old Ct though before resorting to using the Impact.

05-06-2009, 03:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
fatcaaat 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 3,778	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... Where are you located? I am in Arlington and know these CT70s and Clones inside and out. When you get that thing street legal, we should go ride. If you are close, I am sure I could help you get it apart.

05-06-2009, 04:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
arlindsay1992 "High Speed Record Guy" Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 4,369	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... Maybe we should set up a Northern Virginia group mini ride... As for the axle nut, impact wrench, or a longer lever.

05-06-2009, 04:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
HymieP 2nd Gear Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 300	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... Redhand, Had a trying day, logged on here and lmao. Funny, funny, sorry to laugh at your misfortune, we all have been there. Got pissed the other night threw a screwdriver, ricocheted (sp) and hit and broke brand new Craftsman worklight, shattered into a gazillion pieces and filled every bag, box and open orfice it could find with Halogen shrapmetal/glass. Some of the words I came up with even impressed me! Never have my neighbors heard such going on in their life. Extremely religious guy behind us did not appreciate my verbage! LOL

05-06-2009, 04:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
redhandmoto 1st Gear Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NoVA Posts: 101 My Mood:	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... Much later that same day... Thanks, Gents. ER was the usual Dantean limbo, and the questions they ask in triage are more interesting than ever ("Been to Mexico lately? Use any recreational drugs? Do you feel safe in your home environment?"). Says interesting things about modern culture. I liked that last one - means I'm finally old enough to be subject to 'elder abuse'. Anyway, a student PA put in three stitches. Didn't Mick Jagger do this once for "Rolling Stone"?: Bruddas, once the rains cease tomorrow a.m., Ah'm own ride the GTS down to Harbor Freight in Woodbridge and get a Chinese inmpact wrench for this Chinese bike, assuming I have sufficient prehensile function to work the brakes. New tools! Woo Hoo! fatcaaat, I'm just up 29 in Falls Church. The stitches were done at Arlington Hospital (which I refuse to call 'Virginia Medical Center.' I'll shoot ya a pm when I get the tags on't.. dsrt4, I also thought I was gonna be faced with insufficient fastening, but no; once the idea of locktite caught on in the PRC, those dudes really took it to heart..

05-06-2009, 05:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
fatcaaat 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 3,778	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... I had my appendix taken out at "Arlington Hospital" What a butcher job....;(

05-06-2009, 06:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
redhandmoto 1st Gear Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NoVA Posts: 101 My Mood:	Yo! Harbor Freight Impact Wrenches... Anyone have any experience of the cheap-o (sub-$100) electric Impact Wrenches carried by Harbor Freight?. Will they perform adequately for light, occasional, duty? When ya need it, ya need it; I don't mind spending a couple big bills for something I'll use all the time, but it would be nice to have one available for the infrequent times I'll need it.

05-06-2009, 07:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
dsrt4 1st Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 181 My Mood:	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... My Father has the harbor frieght electric impact. It works fine for him. He uses it on wheel lugs on his big tractor and it does the job for him.

05-06-2009, 07:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
redhandmoto 1st Gear Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NoVA Posts: 101 My Mood:	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... Good to hear. I'll look over the amp ratings and heavy-lifting numbers tomorrow. Harbor Freight - you can never go in & buy just one thing. Need a new pack of red shop rags anyhow. And a blower. And some tiny ring clamps. And...

05-06-2009, 10:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
FastMC Sporting the Merkin Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: boston area Posts: 5,072 My Mood:	Re: Help! Rear axle nut -Aw, Son-of-... I'm gonna have to apologize for laughing at your misfortune too, but this thread had me in stitches... I take it (judging by your username) this happens often ?

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