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tt-r420

Hi all. My friend's dad has decided he wants to sell his baby. He's owned it since he was in high school. He painted all the parts like 20 years ago and it was just sitting in boxes until he put it together like 3 years ago. He says it is a 71 or 72 and claims it is all original. And yes he does have the stock clamp (polished) and bars. Motor has been rebuilt down to the trans. Shift pattern is 3 down. Can't locate title but he has the original warranty papers. Brand new Trail Wings. So what do you guys think? Sorry for the shotty cell phone pics I can get better ones soon. Oh yeah he also has the rear fender in a box with polished engine covers.[IMG][/IMG]
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RAZZO

About a $500 Z50.

tt-r420

Damn that's all? I thought the hard tails were worth more than that. Thanks for the input.

fatcaaat

Too bad he painted it. It would have been worth much more if he left it original. Take it back apart and return it to the original colors, and it will be worth way more.

tt-r420

I'll let him know lol

Js789

how much would they be worth if original I have a 69-70 that Ive been working on

RAZZO

A correctly restored 1969 K1 Z50 (95-99 point) is worth between $3,500-4,000.

tt-r420

and you would have to have factory paint? Or is it the design you are talking about? And what do you mean about 95-99 point? Sorry I'm new to this.

RAZZO

Yes, correct factory paint, bone stock, nos parts or refurbed parts, rebuilt motor etc.
Points are referring to a concours resto. AMCA judged.

tt-r420

Ok cool. Thanks for explaining!

50mAfIa

that may be the worthness of it, but lately sadly most dont get that price. is there such thing as 100 point?

what can be off to get 95-99?

RAZZO

Technically, yes. Do I think there is , no. Everything has a flaw. Nothing is perfect. My 1968 Z50 KO is a certified 99 pt. bike. Lost a 1/4 of a point for crankcase gasket color. 1/2 pt. for missing lock washers on brake lever bolts (now corrected). Forget off hand what the other 1/4 pt. was for.

On the price of a resto Z50, people pay for quality and detail. You get what you pay for. You want a rattle-can cigarette ashes in the paint and and ching-slime tires on it, their all over Ebay.

Lair

Razzo knows what's up.

You can lose points a million different ways - like if the eights on your hardware don't match, or your version of Mexico yellow doesn't match one of the three variants, or if your axles are incorrectly oriented.

I've been building resto-riders for the last five years, and I still haven't learned enough to even attempt a 100-point restoration.

My riders turn out OK, but I may never build anything better than an 80-point correct bike. I tried it with old-school Volkswagens 15-20 years ago, and now I'm over the concours thing.

RAZZO

My riders turn out OK, but I may never build anything better than an 80-point correct bike. I tried it with old-school Volkswagens 15-20 years ago, and now I'm over the concours thing.[/quote]

Me too! Was into the VW's back in the 80's. 2 Beetles, a Squareback and a 82' Scirocco that I tricked out, Bilstein's, Neuspeed, Calloway Turbo w/ water injection, lowered, Borla exhaust. Made it into VW Trends mag back in the day! Use to attend the Bug-Out in Va. and other meets. Still love them Vdub's!

Lair

Small world.

The first version of my daily driver Ghia cabrio was pictured in Trends also, and another Ghia cab I built was featured in Hot VW's in July of '91. The article was called "Black Beauty".

I had more than 20 Beetles and Ghias - mostly cabriolets.

This was my daily Ghia for a few years - when I sold it, it had a 2110cc with Scat stainless rods, big valve heads, Engle 110 cam, 10 lb chromoly flywheel, and dual 45mm Dellortos. I also ran a freeway flyer trans with close ratio 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears with a really tall 4th.




I met a ton of people back in those days. I'd like to do it again someday.

50mAfIa

so they knock u for paint being close, but not close enuff? i mean, they have 3 shades of yellow it has to be? how the **** do they have the same color it was in 1969. it wont ever be the same exact color. they had to custom mix whatever color card they had, so who knows if that was a little off u know?

Z

Judging at concours events can be a complete Joke. You could take the bike to 3 different events and the bike could be scored in 3 different ways.

This is why a good amount of the oldschool builders got out of the show circuits especially when most people overrestore bikes.

From the factory in the 1960's and 1970's, Honda did not have very nice chrome, the frames have weld splatter and the paint has flaws. The polished aluminum had clearcoat over it and wasn't polished to a mirror finish. These were mass produced bikes, not coveted show machines when they were released.

RAZZO

Most shows are a joke. I have stopped entering bikes in average shows. The AMCA is a national club. Judging is strict and not a joke. Only cert. I would have for a antique bike. Judging does not vary from meet to meet.
I have a shop full of trophies from other meets. AMCA badge is the only one that matters.

No need to tell me about overrestored bikes. Have seen my share. Judged them and listened to the crying about why they didn't place. As I like to call them, "Catalog Bikes". They ordered nos parts, not all nos is correct, chromed the hell out of everthing. No hallmarks on the rims, etc.

You are right Dan. People think the stood there on the assembly line at Honda making sure every decal was straight and paint was perfect. NOT. They were motorcycles. Not future trailer queens. Made to be ridden.

Z

Mike hit the nail right on the head.

Also, in regards to CT70's, you will never see two bikes with the candy paint that are exactly the same shade. If you purchase NOS Candy parts, even without paint fade, they will not match. If you want all of your candy painted parts to match, have them all repainted by a good painter during one sitting.

reynolds_brad

The show go'rs always make me laugh. I was at a bike meet once with my ZB and one of them was pointing out all the things wrong with my bike to his friend. He was so proud to know all the facts, quite impressed with himself. LOL Like i would build anything in that manner.

Its clear as day that my builds are the farthest thing from a points bike but i guess some folk can only look at them that way.

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