Planet Minis

scow1 · 12-19-2006, 09:49 AM

I have a feeling that my points and condenser could be shot in my 85 z50.
When we first bought the bike, it moved pretty well. Then we had some beginner riders learning how to ride on it and it was never the same. With stock topend in the bike was terribly slow, then I threw a 72cc kit on with an e22 head and it was still slow. Could my points and condensers be shot and I just need to hop on ebay and pick up any kit thats up there or is there one kit that is better than others. Also are there any instruction on how to do this or is it fairly straight forward?

SprNtrl · 12-19-2006, 01:12 PM

If it is your condenser and points, hit up Northeast Vintage Cycle at www.hondanuts.com and they have a kit you can purchase that comes with points, condenser and a new spark plug. It may also be your ignition coil, or a bad spark plug boot.

scow1 · 12-19-2006, 01:23 PM

I think I might have a spare sparkplug boot sitting around but had thoughts about the ignition coil. I guess I could get a coil from TB and give that a shot.

BRAWNYREBEL · 12-19-2006, 03:37 PM

Invest in a $20 voltage test meter. It will make tracing your problem very easy if you follow the manual. I got one last year and i use it all the time

turboglenn · 12-20-2006, 09:37 AM

double check your cam timing too...we put an 88 in a 79 Z50 and had the cam advanced one tooth adn it still felt like a 50cc bike...moved teh cam sprocket to where it sat above the "O" mark and it houls a$$ now...original pointsand condensor from 79..just set the timing on it a the cam adn points ( oh and we cleaned the points up a little)

dirtbkr188 · 12-20-2006, 11:15 AM

99 out of 100 times, you can just replace the points, the condenser very seldom goes bad. No sense in getting involved with re-soldering wires when you don't have to. Just replace the points, and make sure you set them properly.

scow1 · 12-20-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtbkr188

99 out of 100 times, you can just replace the points, the condenser very seldom goes bad. No sense in getting involved with re-soldering wires when you don't have to. Just replace the points, and make sure you set them properly.

Does it matter whos points I buy? Hopely its straight forward on installing them, because I dont have a manual.

This is what I like to hear dirtbkr188 thanks for all that chimmed in. I have a 12 point inspection I have to tend to on the Z hahaha.

SprNtrl · 12-20-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scow1

Does it matter whos points I buy? Hopely its straight forward on installing them, because I dont have a manual.

This is what I like to hear dirtbkr188 thanks for all that chimmed in. I have a 12 point inspection I have to tend to on the Z hahaha.

Here is a '68-'78 Honda Z50 Manual. Up for only a limited time!

http://individual.utoronto.ca/sprntr....1968.1978.PDF

Fullthrottle · 12-20-2006, 06:39 PM

thanks for the link SprNtrl!

scow1 · 12-20-2006, 08:04 PM

SprNtrl that is so money !!!! Thank you sooooo much

turboglenn · 12-20-2006, 09:04 PM

that's a grea manual, but there's no section on installing the points and setting them......hmmmmmmmmmmm????????????

scow1 · 12-20-2006, 10:02 PM

Houston that could be a problem.

SprNtrl · 12-21-2006, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by turboglenn

that's a grea manual, but there's no section on installing the points and setting them......hmmmmmmmmmmm????????????

Never noticed that, thanks for pointing it out. I'll scan those pages from my own manual and post them up.

turboglenn · 12-21-2006, 11:20 AM

awesome...thanks SprNtrl !

scow1 · 12-21-2006, 04:00 PM

Nice..... Thats a big christmas present for some of us!

scow1 · 12-22-2006, 10:41 AM

Points have been ordered woohooo.

scow1 · 01-03-2007, 02:41 PM

If anyone has installed new points is this helpful in setting the points?
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...v_1930_1251128
Im unsure of what im suppose to take the gap reading from. Is it the gap when the points open or its it the gap between the points and the stator?

BRAWNYREBEL · 01-03-2007, 02:51 PM

I set my engine to top dead center and put a .10 feeler gauge between the two contacts on the points and tightned it up. It will snap closed when you remove the feeler gauge but will open back up when you rotate the flywheel to the fire mark

Z50King · 01-17-2007, 10:17 PM

can someone give me a brief speech on what the heck points are?? i heard my uncle talking about setting them on his old st70's in europe as a kid. but that was at christmas, and i didnt think to ask him about it

scow1 · 01-17-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Z50King

can someone give me a brief speech on what the heck points are?? i heard my uncle talking about setting them on his old st70's in europe as a kid. but that was at christmas, and i didnt think to ask him about it

http://www.scooterhelp.com/tips/timi...ming.over.html
I found this and it has a sweet animation on how it works.

12-19-2006, 09:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
scow1 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hawthorn Wds, IL Posts: 940	Points and Condenser I have a feeling that my points and condenser could be shot in my 85 z50. When we first bought the bike, it moved pretty well. Then we had some beginner riders learning how to ride on it and it was never the same. With stock topend in the bike was terribly slow, then I threw a 72cc kit on with an e22 head and it was still slow. Could my points and condensers be shot and I just need to hop on ebay and pick up any kit thats up there or is there one kit that is better than others. Also are there any instruction on how to do this or is it fairly straight forward?

12-19-2006, 01:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
SprNtrl 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,183 My Mood:	If it is your condenser and points, hit up Northeast Vintage Cycle at www.hondanuts.com and they have a kit you can purchase that comes with points, condenser and a new spark plug. It may also be your ignition coil, or a bad spark plug boot.

12-19-2006, 01:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
scow1 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hawthorn Wds, IL Posts: 940	I think I might have a spare sparkplug boot sitting around but had thoughts about the ignition coil. I guess I could get a coil from TB and give that a shot.

12-19-2006, 03:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
BRAWNYREBEL 1st Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Taylor Mill ,KY Posts: 152	Invest in a $20 voltage test meter. It will make tracing your problem very easy if you follow the manual. I got one last year and i use it all the time

12-20-2006, 09:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
turboglenn 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 1,941	double check your cam timing too...we put an 88 in a 79 Z50 and had the cam advanced one tooth adn it still felt like a 50cc bike...moved teh cam sprocket to where it sat above the "O" mark and it houls a$$ now...original pointsand condensor from 79..just set the timing on it a the cam adn points ( oh and we cleaned the points up a little)

12-20-2006, 11:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
dirtbkr188 3rd Gear Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,972	99 out of 100 times, you can just replace the points, the condenser very seldom goes bad. No sense in getting involved with re-soldering wires when you don't have to. Just replace the points, and make sure you set them properly.

12-20-2006, 06:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Fullthrottle 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada Posts: 424	thanks for the link SprNtrl!

12-20-2006, 08:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
scow1 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hawthorn Wds, IL Posts: 940	SprNtrl that is so money !!!! Thank you sooooo much

12-20-2006, 09:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
turboglenn 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 1,941	that's a grea manual, but there's no section on installing the points and setting them......hmmmmmmmmmmm????????????

12-20-2006, 10:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
scow1 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hawthorn Wds, IL Posts: 940	Houston that could be a problem.

12-21-2006, 11:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
turboglenn 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 1,941	awesome...thanks SprNtrl !

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12-21-2006, 04:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
scow1 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hawthorn Wds, IL Posts: 940	Nice..... Thats a big christmas present for some of us!

12-22-2006, 10:41 AM	#16 (permalink)
scow1 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hawthorn Wds, IL Posts: 940	Points have been ordered woohooo.

01-03-2007, 02:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
scow1 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hawthorn Wds, IL Posts: 940	If anyone has installed new points is this helpful in setting the points? http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...v_1930_1251128 Im unsure of what im suppose to take the gap reading from. Is it the gap when the points open or its it the gap between the points and the stator?

01-03-2007, 02:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
BRAWNYREBEL 1st Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Taylor Mill ,KY Posts: 152	I set my engine to top dead center and put a .10 feeler gauge between the two contacts on the points and tightned it up. It will snap closed when you remove the feeler gauge but will open back up when you rotate the flywheel to the fire mark

01-17-2007, 10:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
Z50King 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Upland, Ca, CPP Posts: 9,758 My Mood:	can someone give me a brief speech on what the heck points are?? i heard my uncle talking about setting them on his old st70's in europe as a kid. but that was at christmas, and i didnt think to ask him about it