Planet Minis

adamysr

hey guys, i have a ysr50 and the other weekend i was racing at a local kart track, theres a turn that starts off going down hill, then into a off camber turn. So i was using alot of rear brake and sown shifting really fast, and the back was stepping out alittle (sometimes alot, almost crashed) it was kinda scary but very fun.
So how many people back there minis into corners ?? Is it worth doing on a mini ?? Any pics, vids...... ?? Does anyone slide when exiting a corner ?? I know it would be very hard (or impossoble) on tarmac, but what about all u indoor kart track racers, anyone do it ???
Just wondering, thought it would be a cool topic.

Kurlon

There is a pic floating around somewhere of a guy on a Z50 in a near full cross up backing it in turn, knee down, and it's beautiful.

At the indoor track I'm racing at, we've got two turns where the back end gets loose. The first is where I can see some saying we're backing it in... Three long straights connected by 90 degree left handers taken as one big sweeper dumping into a hairpin 180 left. First technique was to come up on the outside right, and try to get as wide an arc around it as possible. This would screw you up for the following right hander though, and it left you wide open for someone to late brake and cut you off on the inside.

Second technique, and what we're using now is to come HARD into the turn, as close to the inside line on the left as possible. At the absolute last moment, you pile on all the brake you can muster, front and rear while pitching it left. This washes the rear out ala backing it in, and usually starts the front washing as well. To recover, get off the brakes and hard on the throttle which slides the rear around more, and straightens the bike back up.

Not what I'd consider proper backing it in technique. Trying to do a controlled slide could work in the corner, but I think you'd be late braked and blocked from the inside line every time as you dropped a gear early to set up. These machines just cut corners too quickly and too tightly to be out-cornered by someone backing it in like you typically see when motards and superbikes race on the same track.

The second turn we have is a 90 degree right followed after one bike length by a 180 degree left. When you get on the throttle out of the 180, you can do a nice controlled power drift into the three straights. Lots of fun, with the right camera angle it can look like you're backing it in. :P

moosehunter

Is this the one?



If not.... It's still beautiful!!!

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jigracing

Thats an awesome pic. He's about to peel that rear wheel right of the bead..Hella good riding..gotta love the z's too.

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Kurlon

Oh yeah, that's it. I have such huge respect for that guy's skills.

adamysr

yeah thats sweet

1TrikZB

Who is that? Nice technique.

I guess he is coming up on a left turn next?

JohnnyB

I posted that pic up a long time ago on here . I don't remember where I got it from . I'm not sure , but think it's either a Canadian or Michigan rider ??

Pimpindahoes

its not too easy with 10" wheels. ive found it alot easier with 12" front and back.

my 110 will be done soon so ill be able to see what its like on a larger heavier bike. The short wheelbase of the 50 makes it real twitchy.

how about a folding peg/draggin shifter pic?

stik__boy

how about you guys are freakin nuts flying around in a sweat shirt!!!!????

yamaha

backing it in is gay. i can drag bars in the burms. haha. that guy on the Z is sick.

Jeffrey500

I motard a crf50 and when your coming in hot i just shift down and it "chirps" the tire like tapping the rear brake and i back it in and shift up and burn out of the turn like your talking about.

anyonebut_24

No, haven't you seen the movie "CARS." You have to turn left to go right.

Jeffrey500

lol

1TrikZB

Yeah, I like that movie.

But I was asking if he is coming up on a left turn. He's not looking into the turn, but out of it. He's looking more left, checking out his entry into the next corner.

Kurlon

Or he target fixated on that white line and is headed right for it! :P

Motarded

That dude on the Z is bad ass... I use to back my 50 in like that but not quite that crossed up. lol. And like Matt said... it is easier and smoother on 12's.. the 70 on 12's rides just like a big bike backing it in.

sibo

I ended up doing it a couple times on a ysr, I think it was more wrong suspension setup than me trying to do it though. I tried doing it Gary McCoy style a couple times and never could get it to work.
From what the pros (Doug Henry) say it's not really worth it to back it in with a smaller cc bike. Not enough power to make it worth while. Doug Chandler said it was much easier to do with a longer wheelbase, like the ZX7 he was on.

I'm not throwing names out there to prove I know what I'm talking about, I'm a half-ass novice, but I like to listen to tips from reliable sources.

fifty_tony

I ran a YSR race team back in the late 80's for Mission Yamaha. I had one rider that could back it in as you say it looked great but was not faster just looked cool.At that time my three fast guys win just about all the races we went to. One of my pro racer could make 2hundred to 4hundred dollers on a big race weekend yes on a YSR those were the days.

Motarded

They must have ridden some slow bikes or something. lol.