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~E · 09-14-2005, 09:21 PM

Ok, I was one of the lucky people to get in on a buy of the Heienau K61's that were being brought over from Germany recently. I decided that since these were going on my oversize wheels, that I could do more of what I wanted in terms of tire size. I chose to go with a 120/70-10 Rear and 100/80-10 Front to keep the profile about the same and get the F/R width combination that I wanted (I didnt want the front tire to end up taller than the rear because of the difference in wheel width). I was looking to get the maximum utilization of width (and fit in the forks, as well as between the swingarm), without ending up pullling the bead in too much and keeping a low profile.

Well, I did not get a lot of track time but here are my thoughts... It was sunny and about 80 deg. in Apple Valley, CA at the Grange on Sunday (PM ride day). Once I finally got on the track I scrubbed in the tires for a couple laps (if you are new to motard.... dont try to rail the turns your first lap on new tires). Once they were scuffed, I figured that I could push it a bit. I had some track experience on my Yamaha R1 so I have a good idea of the limits of adhesion... and I will say that these tires are UNBELIEVABLE. I did not have one hint of slippage, insecurity or other. I dont know if I have ever felt so confident on a set of tires (they were like riding a new set of Pirelli Supercorsas on my R1). There is a turn (3 I think) at the end of a straightaway that is a bit off camber and I was at the point where with a slight brake to setup it was a throttle-on drive through the turn as fast as I was willing to go. I believe that the Heidenaus are the only M-rated 10" tire you can get (81mph) and I really hope they start getting imported, because I will become a tire reseller for these. They are the best thing going.

I will put up pics of the wear pattern on my tires as soon as I get mine or my wifes camera working properly.

I hope this was helpful to anyone contemplating tires.
~E

Z · 09-14-2005, 09:36 PM

The 3.5X10 and smaller 10" sizes are J rated. All the tire sizes larger then 3.5X10 are indeed M rated. Here's pictures of the 120/70/10's on my beater CT70.

Once my new chain comes in from some slow-ass vendor, I can get this bike on the road..

imported_bobbob1015 · 09-14-2005, 10:28 PM

beater bike haha nice i like it

filthyboatguy · 09-15-2005, 07:03 AM

Yeah what a POS beater

Do they come in 3.00 x 10" or comparable sizes for stock rims?

What speed is J rated for?

My Pirelli SL26s in 3.00 and 3.50 have a perfect wear pattern, scrubbed to the edge with nice rubber boogers. Too bad they slip when really pushed......

Z · 09-15-2005, 07:20 AM

90/90 - 10 50J TL K61
3.50 - 10 59J Rf. TL K61
130/90 - 10 61J TL K61
130/70 - 10 62M Rf. TL K61
120/90 - 10 66M TL K61
120/70 - 10 54M Rf. TL K61
110/80 - 10 63M Rf. TL K61
100/90 - 10 61M Rf. TL K61
100/80 - 10 58M Rf. TL K61

There's your size choices for the Heidenaus. 90/90/10 is the smallest they make, and I find the tires run a tad small to begin with. Factory Motorsports can give you the heads up on how they fit on a stock CRF50.

filthyboatguy · 09-15-2005, 07:28 AM

Thanks. 90/90 looks like the ticket.

Too bad they are not readily available.

p3racer · 09-15-2005, 08:06 AM

old bs

filthyboatguy · 09-15-2005, 08:16 AM

That review is five years old BTW.

filthyboatguy · 09-15-2005, 08:17 AM

Slick???

p3racer · 09-15-2005, 08:23 AM

YA it is but still interesting

Z · 09-15-2005, 08:58 AM

Don't know what tires they reviewed there, but these tires are not hard and are very sticky. In fact, Mad Maxla in Germany uses these tires on their 120+mph on their highly modified ZB50 (450cc Husky motor) without any problems and recommends them.

Realize Heidenau makes 30 different styles of tires and if you ask anyone oveseas, the best tires available in 10" sizes are the following:

Heidenau K61's
Metzler ME 7 Teens
Dunlop TT91's

In no particular order. Metzler doesn't import the ME 7 Teens into the USA and has no plans to in the future, as they feel there isn't enough demand.

Plus, I think Erik is more then reputable on testing tires. Other good riders are also testing and will also give a favorable response once they have more time on them.

p3racer · 09-15-2005, 09:01 AM

well I just ordered 4 of these Heidenau K61 tires so we will see how good they will work for me anyone wanna buy a set as theres 4 90/90/10 on the way to me with maybe 1 dozen a couple of days behind them if things go right but ya 4 just shipped

Z · 09-15-2005, 09:18 AM

Craig,

You'll love the tires. Great company to deal with as well.

p3racer · 09-15-2005, 09:23 AM

got em from a website in germany and waiting for the price on a dozen but he dont want to let that many go but sent me 4 for 137 us shipped

mrmotard · 09-15-2005, 09:55 AM

hey P3 i will take 2 of those 90x90x10 from you-- i saw them on erics bike @ grange-- killer tread pattern-- just let me know when to pay!! BRAD

imported_Chrome-CRF · 09-15-2005, 10:18 AM

Here's Eriks bike with the Heidenau's.

mrmotard · 09-15-2005, 12:19 PM

i agree, i touched these tires last weekend, and they are sticky soft, even a little softer than a tt91--

i just had a 2 sets of tt91s dropped off by ups as i was typing this message-- ironic--- well better go put on a new set of tires for the race this weekend!!!!

filthyboatguy · 09-15-2005, 10:18 PM

SL26 tire wear from Grange, 70 lb rider moving pretty quick......

These tires have 7 races on them at Grange and about 7 practices at Amago.

imported_Kurlon · 09-16-2005, 06:38 AM

Heh, I should get some pics of my Dunlop TT91's from the last day of racing. The track was FAR warmer than anyone was expecting with the cool air temps. I was running 16psi front and rear, and was thinking I should go lower as I kept loosing the back on the hairpin...

Got back to the pits, both my front and rear were SHREDDED. It looked like my tire was designed to have peeloffs the way the rubber was coming off.

~E · 09-16-2005, 06:49 AM

Close ups from my bike... like I said... not much time on them at all.

rear1

rear2

rear3

front1

front2

09-14-2005, 09:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
~E perpetratin' Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Juan Capo, CA Posts: 1,973	Heidenau Motard Tire review (no pics yet) Ok, I was one of the lucky people to get in on a buy of the Heienau K61's that were being brought over from Germany recently. I decided that since these were going on my oversize wheels, that I could do more of what I wanted in terms of tire size. I chose to go with a 120/70-10 Rear and 100/80-10 Front to keep the profile about the same and get the F/R width combination that I wanted (I didnt want the front tire to end up taller than the rear because of the difference in wheel width). I was looking to get the maximum utilization of width (and fit in the forks, as well as between the swingarm), without ending up pullling the bead in too much and keeping a low profile. Well, I did not get a lot of track time but here are my thoughts... It was sunny and about 80 deg. in Apple Valley, CA at the Grange on Sunday (PM ride day). Once I finally got on the track I scrubbed in the tires for a couple laps (if you are new to motard.... dont try to rail the turns your first lap on new tires). Once they were scuffed, I figured that I could push it a bit. I had some track experience on my Yamaha R1 so I have a good idea of the limits of adhesion... and I will say that these tires are UNBELIEVABLE. I did not have one hint of slippage, insecurity or other. I dont know if I have ever felt so confident on a set of tires (they were like riding a new set of Pirelli Supercorsas on my R1). There is a turn (3 I think) at the end of a straightaway that is a bit off camber and I was at the point where with a slight brake to setup it was a throttle-on drive through the turn as fast as I was willing to go. I believe that the Heidenaus are the only M-rated 10" tire you can get (81mph) and I really hope they start getting imported, because I will become a tire reseller for these. They are the best thing going. I will put up pics of the wear pattern on my tires as soon as I get mine or my wifes camera working properly. I hope this was helpful to anyone contemplating tires. ~E

09-14-2005, 09:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Z 5th Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: KANSAS Posts: 8,790	The 3.5X10 and smaller 10" sizes are J rated. All the tire sizes larger then 3.5X10 are indeed M rated. Here's pictures of the 120/70/10's on my beater CT70. Once my new chain comes in from some slow-ass vendor, I can get this bike on the road..

09-14-2005, 10:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
imported_bobbob1015 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Malone N.Y. Posts: 666	beater bike haha nice i like it

09-15-2005, 07:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
filthyboatguy 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,830	Yeah what a POS beater Do they come in 3.00 x 10" or comparable sizes for stock rims? What speed is J rated for? My Pirelli SL26s in 3.00 and 3.50 have a perfect wear pattern, scrubbed to the edge with nice rubber boogers. Too bad they slip when really pushed......

09-15-2005, 07:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
Z 5th Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: KANSAS Posts: 8,790	90/90 - 10 50J TL K61 3.50 - 10 59J Rf. TL K61 130/90 - 10 61J TL K61 130/70 - 10 62M Rf. TL K61 120/90 - 10 66M TL K61 120/70 - 10 54M Rf. TL K61 110/80 - 10 63M Rf. TL K61 100/90 - 10 61M Rf. TL K61 100/80 - 10 58M Rf. TL K61 There's your size choices for the Heidenaus. 90/90/10 is the smallest they make, and I find the tires run a tad small to begin with. Factory Motorsports can give you the heads up on how they fit on a stock CRF50.

09-15-2005, 07:28 AM	#6 (permalink)
filthyboatguy 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,830	Thanks. 90/90 looks like the ticket. Too bad they are not readily available.

09-15-2005, 08:06 AM	#7 (permalink)
p3racer Founding Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 6,285	old bs

09-15-2005, 08:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
filthyboatguy 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,830	That review is five years old BTW.

09-15-2005, 08:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
filthyboatguy 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,830	Slick???

09-15-2005, 08:23 AM	#10 (permalink)
p3racer Founding Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 6,285	YA it is but still interesting

09-15-2005, 08:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
Z 5th Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: KANSAS Posts: 8,790	Don't know what tires they reviewed there, but these tires are not hard and are very sticky. In fact, Mad Maxla in Germany uses these tires on their 120+mph on their highly modified ZB50 (450cc Husky motor) without any problems and recommends them. Realize Heidenau makes 30 different styles of tires and if you ask anyone oveseas, the best tires available in 10" sizes are the following: Heidenau K61's Metzler ME 7 Teens Dunlop TT91's In no particular order. Metzler doesn't import the ME 7 Teens into the USA and has no plans to in the future, as they feel there isn't enough demand. Plus, I think Erik is more then reputable on testing tires. Other good riders are also testing and will also give a favorable response once they have more time on them.

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09-15-2005, 09:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
p3racer Founding Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 6,285	well I just ordered 4 of these Heidenau K61 tires so we will see how good they will work for me anyone wanna buy a set as theres 4 90/90/10 on the way to me with maybe 1 dozen a couple of days behind them if things go right but ya 4 just shipped

09-15-2005, 09:18 AM	#13 (permalink)
Z 5th Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: KANSAS Posts: 8,790	Craig, You'll love the tires. Great company to deal with as well.

09-15-2005, 09:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
p3racer Founding Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 6,285	got em from a website in germany and waiting for the price on a dozen but he dont want to let that many go but sent me 4 for 137 us shipped

09-15-2005, 09:55 AM	#15 (permalink)
mrmotard 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: sin city Posts: 2,219	hey P3 i will take 2 of those 90x90x10 from you-- i saw them on erics bike @ grange-- killer tread pattern-- just let me know when to pay!! BRAD

09-15-2005, 10:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
imported_Chrome-CRF 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 482	Here's Eriks bike with the Heidenau's.

09-15-2005, 12:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
mrmotard 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: sin city Posts: 2,219	i agree, i touched these tires last weekend, and they are sticky soft, even a little softer than a tt91-- i just had a 2 sets of tt91s dropped off by ups as i was typing this message-- ironic--- well better go put on a new set of tires for the race this weekend!!!!

09-15-2005, 10:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
filthyboatguy 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,830	SL26 tire wear from Grange, 70 lb rider moving pretty quick...... These tires have 7 races on them at Grange and about 7 practices at Amago.

09-16-2005, 06:38 AM	#19 (permalink)
imported_Kurlon 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Windham, ME Posts: 608	Heh, I should get some pics of my Dunlop TT91's from the last day of racing. The track was FAR warmer than anyone was expecting with the cool air temps. I was running 16psi front and rear, and was thinking I should go lower as I kept loosing the back on the hairpin... Got back to the pits, both my front and rear were SHREDDED. It looked like my tire was designed to have peeloffs the way the rubber was coming off.

09-16-2005, 06:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
~E perpetratin' Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Juan Capo, CA Posts: 1,973	Close ups from my bike... like I said... not much time on them at all. rear1 rear2 rear3 front1 front2