Planet Minis

kawik01 · 07-03-2009, 04:43 PM

okay...heres the deal. im riding when all of a sudden..bam! im in "neutral" sometimes it happens ALOT in a short period of time or just every once in a while. and also sometimes when im stopped and have the clutch in and get ready to go it wont and i have to click it down like 5-6 times and i only have 4 GEARS! so whats the issue? is it the shift star? if so what can i do to fix it?

Grafixxs · 07-03-2009, 04:57 PM

Email Terry at Firepowerminis, he can help you with this.

kawik01 · 07-03-2009, 04:58 PM

ok will do

Salsa · 07-03-2009, 09:09 PM

I had the same problem with my Lifan 138. I opened the right sidecase and took the primary gears out and saw that the detent was out of the notch.

The lever with the roller on it is held on with a press fit slip on ring on hte bolt that locates it in the case. Th ring was loose and the lever went sideways and out of the notch in the shift drum. I put it back in place and staked the shaft so it would not move.

That fixed my problem.

Don

kawik01 · 07-03-2009, 10:11 PM

hmmm. i see. omg that requires sooo many tools that i dont have. Terry over at firepowerminis just basicly said the same thing. he said to take the right side cover off and then pull the clutch basket, which requires an impact driver (air powered drill?) and clutch nut tool. anyone know where i can get a clutch nut tool for cheap?

firepower354 · 07-03-2009, 10:17 PM

Clutch nut socket is $12.

Impact driver:

firepower354 · 07-03-2009, 10:18 PM

You might get lucky and just have a loose star, that you can tighten up with a thin wrench.

kawik01 · 07-03-2009, 10:24 PM

sweet. ok ill look into buying those and thanks for all your help terry i really appreciate it. i hope its just loose but im wondering if its not just worn down to barely nuthin...cuz i shift like a maniac i hit full tilt in like 4.5 secs lol

firepower354 · 07-03-2009, 10:32 PM

Be gentle... Lots of little parts in there, designed to be nudged around by noodle delivery girls

Pull the cover before buying any tools. You might not need any, or it might not help.

kawik01 · 07-05-2009, 07:47 PM

ok so i pulled the case and nothing seemed out of place that i can see...the shift star was in near perfect condition and it was tight and the little arm that pushes and pulls it wasnt worn either, nor was it loose...i havnt rode it since becase i need oil but im wondering what else could it be?

Blackwoodz · 07-05-2009, 07:56 PM

Pull the ignition cover off and then above the sprocket is a rubber plug..inside is either a 10mm or allen head bolt that holds the shift drum from moving in and out...check that it is tight

kawik01 · 07-05-2009, 07:58 PM

wow...ok ill do that. man that sucks too cuz i just had the ignition cover off the other day

kawik01 · 07-05-2009, 08:21 PM

UPDATE: ok i pulled the ign. cover and sure enough that bolt was loose enough that it would shake in and out a lil bit and so i tightened it and that seemed to have kept it from moving. i will test it as soon as my dad buys me oil (hopefully tomorrow) thanks for your help everyone

kawik01 · 07-09-2009, 09:13 PM

bad news... it ran perfect for a total of 2 hours =( i pulled the ign. cover again and the allen bolt was really effin loose and it was leaking oil.not much but a little bit and when i tried to tighten the bolt again it was tight but the whole bolt would move around and in and out and it doesnt wanna tighten up. now if i ride in first gear just cruisin like 5 mph on the road i get a false neutral but 2nd 3rd and 4th all work perfect. so whats up? any more guesses lol

tysonb · 07-10-2009, 08:13 AM

It seems that your allen screw is stripped, any chance you dad would take you to the store to get a drill and tap set? It'd be an excuse for him to get a new tool.

Then you can re-thread that hole and you should be good to go.

Blackwoodz told me the same thing and sure enough mine was loose in the same place, but unlike yours mine never came loose again.

kawik01 · 07-10-2009, 11:37 AM

lol hes not a gear-head like me. im the first of the kind in my family lol. hes a computer programmer so yeah. but he might. how much do you think one would run me? because hes cheap and i have to pay for like everything except gas and oil. and i would have to pull the allen bolt completely out so what would happen inside the motor? would something drop down and fall in the case or what because im thinking that i will need to go ahead and pull the right sde cover anyways

tysonb · 07-10-2009, 11:58 AM

hmmmm, not sure about if somthing would fall ask blackwoodz, I never took mine out, but that tool kit would be about 15 to 20 bucks at lowes or such place.

kawik01 · 07-10-2009, 12:02 PM

ok thanks alot...you may have just saved me a BIIIIGGG headache

07-03-2009, 04:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! okay...heres the deal. im riding when all of a sudden..bam! im in "neutral" sometimes it happens ALOT in a short period of time or just every once in a while. and also sometimes when im stopped and have the clutch in and get ready to go it wont and i have to click it down like 5-6 times and i only have 4 GEARS! so whats the issue? is it the shift star? if so what can i do to fix it?

07-03-2009, 04:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Grafixxs Old Fart Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Marshall,MI Posts: 1,945 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! Email Terry at Firepowerminis, he can help you with this.

07-03-2009, 04:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! ok will do

07-03-2009, 09:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Salsa PM Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Beach, Kalifornia Posts: 59	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! I had the same problem with my Lifan 138. I opened the right sidecase and took the primary gears out and saw that the detent was out of the notch. The lever with the roller on it is held on with a press fit slip on ring on hte bolt that locates it in the case. Th ring was loose and the lever went sideways and out of the notch in the shift drum. I put it back in place and staked the shaft so it would not move. That fixed my problem. Don

07-03-2009, 10:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! hmmm. i see. omg that requires sooo many tools that i dont have. Terry over at firepowerminis just basicly said the same thing. he said to take the right side cover off and then pull the clutch basket, which requires an impact driver (air powered drill?) and clutch nut tool. anyone know where i can get a clutch nut tool for cheap?

07-03-2009, 10:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
firepower354 Advertiser Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 10,989 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! Clutch nut socket is $12. Impact driver: __________________ If it has my name on it I did it;) FirepowerMinis.com Custom FPM parts and engines. Parts and service for all makes. Honda Trail Bikes parts and accessories. Pitster/Piranha/Thumpstar bikes, parts, engines and accessories.

07-03-2009, 10:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
firepower354 Advertiser Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 10,989 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! You might get lucky and just have a loose star, that you can tighten up with a thin wrench. __________________ If it has my name on it I did it;) FirepowerMinis.com Custom FPM parts and engines. Parts and service for all makes. Honda Trail Bikes parts and accessories. Pitster/Piranha/Thumpstar bikes, parts, engines and accessories.

07-03-2009, 10:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! sweet. ok ill look into buying those and thanks for all your help terry i really appreciate it. i hope its just loose but im wondering if its not just worn down to barely nuthin...cuz i shift like a maniac i hit full tilt in like 4.5 secs lol

07-03-2009, 10:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
firepower354 Advertiser Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 10,989 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! Be gentle... Lots of little parts in there, designed to be nudged around by noodle delivery girls Pull the cover before buying any tools. You might not need any, or it might not help. __________________ If it has my name on it I did it;) FirepowerMinis.com Custom FPM parts and engines. Parts and service for all makes. Honda Trail Bikes parts and accessories. Pitster/Piranha/Thumpstar bikes, parts, engines and accessories.

07-05-2009, 07:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! ok so i pulled the case and nothing seemed out of place that i can see...the shift star was in near perfect condition and it was tight and the little arm that pushes and pulls it wasnt worn either, nor was it loose...i havnt rode it since becase i need oil but im wondering what else could it be?

07-05-2009, 07:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
Blackwoodz 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SC Michigan Posts: 3,624	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! Pull the ignition cover off and then above the sprocket is a rubber plug..inside is either a 10mm or allen head bolt that holds the shift drum from moving in and out...check that it is tight

07-05-2009, 07:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! wow...ok ill do that. man that sucks too cuz i just had the ignition cover off the other day

07-05-2009, 08:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! UPDATE: ok i pulled the ign. cover and sure enough that bolt was loose enough that it would shake in and out a lil bit and so i tightened it and that seemed to have kept it from moving. i will test it as soon as my dad buys me oil (hopefully tomorrow) thanks for your help everyone

07-09-2009, 09:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! bad news... it ran perfect for a total of 2 hours =( i pulled the ign. cover again and the allen bolt was really effin loose and it was leaking oil.not much but a little bit and when i tried to tighten the bolt again it was tight but the whole bolt would move around and in and out and it doesnt wanna tighten up. now if i ride in first gear just cruisin like 5 mph on the road i get a false neutral but 2nd 3rd and 4th all work perfect. so whats up? any more guesses lol

07-10-2009, 08:13 AM	#15 (permalink)
tysonb I heart MotoVert Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Craigville, Indiana Posts: 1,321 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! It seems that your allen screw is stripped, any chance you dad would take you to the store to get a drill and tap set? It'd be an excuse for him to get a new tool. Then you can re-thread that hole and you should be good to go. Blackwoodz told me the same thing and sure enough mine was loose in the same place, but unlike yours mine never came loose again.

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07-10-2009, 11:37 AM	#16 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! lol hes not a gear-head like me. im the first of the kind in my family lol. hes a computer programmer so yeah. but he might. how much do you think one would run me? because hes cheap and i have to pay for like everything except gas and oil. and i would have to pull the allen bolt completely out so what would happen inside the motor? would something drop down and fall in the case or what because im thinking that i will need to go ahead and pull the right sde cover anyways

07-10-2009, 11:58 AM	#17 (permalink)
tysonb I heart MotoVert Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Craigville, Indiana Posts: 1,321 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! hmmmm, not sure about if somthing would fall ask blackwoodz, I never took mine out, but that tool kit would be about 15 to 20 bucks at lowes or such place.

07-10-2009, 12:02 PM	#18 (permalink)
kawik01 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ky Posts: 203 My Mood:	Re: soooo many false nuetrals and drop outs.HELP! ok thanks alot...you may have just saved me a BIIIIGGG headache