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NCNSR · 03-15-2009, 02:55 PM

johnson05 · 08-04-2009, 08:05 PM

Just looking through your list and realized you forgot Jim Lomas.
jl_exhausts

NCNSR · 08-20-2009, 02:11 PM

Anybody actually gonna buy one?

like_the_martian · 08-20-2009, 10:40 PM

i have a jolly moto exhaust on my 70cc nsr and a billy wiese pipe on an other i wanna run in a modified 50 class. both with 24mm carbs.

johnson05 · 08-30-2009, 01:47 PM

The problem is that most Japanese shops will not sell outside Japan.

NCNSR · 08-30-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by johnson05

The problem is that most Japanese shops will not sell outside Japan.

I just put the info so if people use one of the people that source parts from Japan they have the info to get an exhaust appropriate for them.(Powerband wise) and the approx.Japanese retail price......

reefmuncher · 08-31-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by johnson05

The problem is that most Japanese shops will not sell outside Japan.

I've found a few over the years who will and often the prices are very good and they can combine with other brand goods.

NCNSR · 09-13-2009, 08:22 PM

Added Morgan Racing US Distributor of JOLLYMOTO...

http://www.morganracing.cc/

johnson05 · 11-28-2009, 11:48 AM

Just thought I would throw in a pic of a few of the exhaust choices for the NSR50. Note how vastly different the expansion chambers are is shape.....

For those that do not know the exhausts from top to bottom are stock, Kitaco, Arrow, and Jolly Moto on the bottom.

racerxxx221 · 11-28-2009, 03:00 PM

Johnson,on what set up are you running these pipes on,If you don't mind can you tell me what cc cylinder,what size carb?How did the Jolly pipe run?what type of powerband ? eg.8k to 12000k just trying to get a feel of when the power comes on.What is you personal preference when it comes to the pipes you have listed.Any detailed info would be greatly appreciated.If you cant share it I appreciated.Thanx

johnson05 · 11-28-2009, 06:59 PM

I like the arrow so far. Unfortunately I have not used the Jolly Moto yet. Just when I got it in September we had a brutal cold snap so I won't be able to test it until spring. The Jolly will be peakier for sure. The arrow is a nice bolt on that does not require any rejetting but it does give a ton more overrev compared to stock. The Kitaco is build more for show. Its lightweight but to be honest by mid summer I ditched it to go back to the stock pipe. I used the arrow with my Athena big bore kit but next year I will be running 63cc Kitaco cylinders in both my bikes (though with different dech heights and port timing). I will have to play mix and match between cylinders, carbs, and pipes to get different combinations that will work. If it warms up I will try to squeak in a dyno session but with this last weather swing I don't think I will be doing anything till spring. I can hardly wait.

NCNSR · 11-28-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by johnson05

I like the arrow so far. Unfortunately I have not used the Jolly Moto yet. Just when I got it in September we had a brutal cold snap so I won't be able to test it until spring. The Jolly will be peakier for sure. The arrow is a nice bolt on that does not require any rejetting but it does give a ton more overrev compared to stock. The Kitaco is build more for show. Its lightweight but to be honest by mid summer I ditched it to go back to the stock pipe. I used the arrow with my Athena big bore kit but next year I will be running 63cc Kitaco cylinders in both my bikes (though with different dech heights and port timing). I will have to play mix and match between cylinders, carbs, and pipes to get different combinations that will work. If it warms up I will try to squeak in a dyno session but with this last weather swing I don't think I will be doing anything till spring. I can hardly wait.

Brutal cold snap in september?Where are you located in Siberia?

johnson05 · 11-28-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NCNSR

Brutal cold snap in september?Where are you located in Siberia?

Nope. Thats typical Alberta weather. Since then till two days ago its been nice and warm. Thursday was pretty much the first snow fall we had all year. I should have left my bikes together and I would have had plenty of chances to sneak in a dyno session.

fireman_343 · 11-29-2009, 07:14 AM

Here is my .02 on the Arrow exhaust. I had the Arrow exhaust on my NSR when I had the 63, 65 and 70cc kits on it and I liked it at first, until I found out that it doesn't help anything! Billy Wiese put a stock NSR on the dyno, ran it, then put on the Arrow exhaust on and it pulled the same numbers! No different then the stock exhaust. Billy called me and told me about this, since he knew I had one, and I took mine off...raced the next weekend with my stock exhaust back on with the 65cc kit and ran the same, if not better lap times at the track that day!

Plus, when I got the exhaust from Team Calamari, they told me it would bolt right on. I got the exhaust in the mail, and it was for the NS-50 (17" wheel bike) not the 12" wheel NSR-50. They said that was the exhaust for the NSR50, and I could return it, but it would cost me a restocking fee, shipping ect.. so I ended up cutting off the mounting tabs, and the exhaust stinger, relocated so it would fit/mount on the NSR. Was kinda pissed off about that since I spent $300 for a stock exhaust!

Run the Jolly Moto or Jemco pipe.. you'll see a HUGE differance in the power!

NCNSR · 11-29-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by johnson05

Nope. Thats typical Alberta weather. Since then till two days ago its been nice and warm. Thursday was pretty much the first snow fall we had all year. I should have left my bikes together and I would have had plenty of chances to sneak in a dyno session.

That explains it,When it is 5 Degrees in New York in february they call it the "Alberta Clipper Effect"

NCNSR · 11-29-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fireman_343

Here is my .02 on the Arrow exhaust. I had the Arrow exhaust on my NSR when I had the 63, 65 and 70cc kits on it and I liked it at first, until I found out that it doesn't help anything! Billy Wiese put a stock NSR on the dyno, ran it, then put on the Arrow exhaust on and it pulled the same numbers! No different then the stock exhaust. Billy called me and told me about this, since he knew I had one, and I took mine off...raced the next weekend with my stock exhaust back on with the 65cc kit and ran the same, if not better lap times at the track that day!

Plus, when I got the exhaust from Team Calamari, they told me it would bolt right on. I got the exhaust in the mail, and it was for the NS-50 (17" wheel bike) not the 12" wheel NSR-50. They said that was the exhaust for the NSR50, and I could return it, but it would cost me a restocking fee, shipping ect.. so I ended up cutting off the mounting tabs, and the exhaust stinger, relocated so it would fit/mount on the NSR. Was kinda pissed off about that since I spent $300 for a stock exhaust!

Run the Jolly Moto or Jemco pipe.. you'll see a HUGE differance in the power!

God i hate those Carpet Munching Hags!

johnson05 · 11-29-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fireman_343

Here is my .02 on the Arrow exhaust. I had the Arrow exhaust on my NSR when I had the 63, 65 and 70cc kits on it and I liked it at first, until I found out that it doesn't help anything! Billy Wiese put a stock NSR on the dyno, ran it, then put on the Arrow exhaust on and it pulled the same numbers! No different then the stock exhaust. Billy called me and told me about this, since he knew I had one, and I took mine off...raced the next weekend with my stock exhaust back on with the 65cc kit and ran the same, if not better lap times at the track that day!

Plus, when I got the exhaust from Team Calamari, they told me it would bolt right on. I got the exhaust in the mail, and it was for the NS-50 (17" wheel bike) not the 12" wheel NSR-50. They said that was the exhaust for the NSR50, and I could return it, but it would cost me a restocking fee, shipping ect.. so I ended up cutting off the mounting tabs, and the exhaust stinger, relocated so it would fit/mount on the NSR. Was kinda pissed off about that since I spent $300 for a stock exhaust!

Run the Jolly Moto or Jemco pipe.. you'll see a HUGE differance in the power!

Ah yes the dyno. The teller of all truths. Its funny how a few short years ago everyone was saying how the Arrows were the best until they dyno'd them. Now everyone says they are junk. I do however find that the throttle response is a little better versus stock and I like the overrev. With the Arrow you can absolutely bury the tach needle and you can't come close to that with the stock pipe no matter how lean you jet. The Jolly Moto pipe is also for a 17" wheeled bike. Almost all the euro pipes are for the big wheeled bikes. They are not that hard to mount. You just have to bend the tab on the pipe and redrill a new mounting hole on the bike. That being said I was not satisfied with the Arrow and that's why I went shopping for a new pipe and came around to the Jolly. Truth be told I really wanted the Lomas (their other pipes are pure magic) but I could not find any info on it and did not want to take a chance and be the guinea pig.

fireman_343 · 11-29-2009, 12:04 PM

Yeah, the HP game is fun, but really... would you of bought that Arrow exhaust knowing that it doesn't give you any HP increase, but maybe a little better throttle responce? I can spend a lot less then $300 on something else and get the same results if not better.
Hey, I love the look of the Arrow, but the damn thing was a $300 stock pipe. When racing mine, I felt absolutely no difference from one pipe to the other, other then the noise it made. This was racing at a short track, so it might of made a difference on a longer track? Now, take the same motor, add the Jemco exhaust to it and it was night and day difference! My teammate Jordan runs the Jemco exhaust on his NSR-63cc bike. I raced it in an endurance race not too long ago and I couldn't believe how much of a difference that pipe makes on that bike! You want to talk about pinning the tach needle, that pipe will brake that needle off! Then add an inner-rotor kit, and you are talking crazy fast!!

This is just my opinion.. nothing else.

And about TCR.. I don't mind them at all.. they have helped me out a lot back in the days when I was racing my YSR, they know YSR's inside and out. I'm just not sure if they know as much about the NSR's?

johnson05 · 11-29-2009, 02:12 PM

My arrow came with the bike and the whole package was pretty cheap. Fireman, I'm curious. Do you know anyone running the Jemco without any motor work done. Stock head with say an untouched cylinder (bigbore or not). Just wondering how much difference just the pipe makes.

fireman_343 · 11-29-2009, 03:25 PM

Matter of fact yes I do.. Jordan (I'll see if I can call him and he can chime in on this fact) use to run his Jemco exhaust with stock bore, stock carb, and he would keep up with me and my 65cc NSR with Arrow exhaust. That is when I knew something was wrong with that exhaust.. the motor was fresh, and no problems with it, he would just fly right past me on the straights! Don't get me wrong, he said he would have to work to get around me, but as soon as he installed the Kitaco 63cc kit, he was untouchable.. and still is!
Here is a video of him on his NSR at BeaveRun, PA on his NSR with Jemco exhaust and stock bore cylinder and stock carb.

This was back in 2005, the other bike was our other teammate.. he had just a bone stock NSR and couldn't keep up with Jordan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UjVewx7H2k

There are about 2-3 other racers in our club running just the Jemco exhaust on the NSR without any other motor/carb mods and they are all FAST!

03-15-2009, 02:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
NCNSR R.I.P. 11/29/09 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Franklin Square, NY Posts: 955 My Mood:	NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices All JDM exhausts are available through Honda50.com Z50, CT70, ZB50 and Monkeybike tuning parts. ... sales@honda50.com 1 - RACING SHOP FLEX ... http://translate.google.com/translat...history_state0= 2 - LIBRA-PRO ... Translated version of http://www.librapro.com/ ..... http://74.125.115.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.librapro.com/new-sub1-1.html&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJr hjb2GPZGbEAZhYTWNxtcpe10vOONQ ... http://www.piston-kun.com/sale/img_item/channbar.jpg ..... 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Also the home of the (Claimed 19ps) 18.7Hp ( Stock is 7.2hp ) 72cc supercylinderkit an increase of 160%.............Translated version of http://homepage3.nifty.com/rslips/page106.html 11 - GARAGE-TARGET ... http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww5.ocn.ne.jp%2F~target%2 F&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate ... http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/trans...Fproducts.html 12 - WINDJAMMERS RACING ... Translated version of http://www.wjracing.com/= ..Translated version of http://www.wjracing.com/nsr_sp.html 13 - DOG-FIGHT RACING ... http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0= ... http://www.dreamgate.ne.jp/NSR/Tuning/dfr_carbon.jpg 14 - BRD RACING ... http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate .... Translated version of http://www.linkclub.or.jp/~brd/index/2mini/image/nsr50/expert.html. .http://img253.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/u...apka560300.jpg 15 - NORIS GARAGE ... http://74.125.115.132/translate_c?hl...rYYgt_DyBehttg.. http://www.apriliatokyo.com/dgw/img063.jpg 17 - RACING SPORTS ZERO ... Translated version of http://www.rs-zero.co.jp/muffler/mf_index.html ... Translated version of http://www.rs-zero.co.jp/muffler/muteki.html They also have the engine mounts and a dedicated exhaust to mount an XR100 motor in a NSR50 frame for your own homegrown NSF100... Here ...Translated version of http://www.rs-zero.co.jp/muffler/zeroworks.html= 18 - SPI ... Translated version of http://www.spi-moto.com/muffler/body.html ... http://www.spi-moto.com/muffler/images/SF-1B.jpg ... http://i39.tinypic.com/723x5h.jpg 19 - RACING SHOP YOKOTA ... 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Sales@motoshopz.com ... thats where i got my Libra-Pro Last edited by NCNSR; 10-01-2009 at 03:08 AM.

08-04-2009, 08:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
johnson05 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 101	Re: JDM NSR50 Exhaust Choices Just looking through your list and realized you forgot Jim Lomas. jl_exhausts

08-20-2009, 02:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
NCNSR R.I.P. 11/29/09 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Franklin Square, NY Posts: 955 My Mood:	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices Anybody actually gonna buy one?

08-20-2009, 10:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
like_the_martian PM Newbie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 33	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices i have a jolly moto exhaust on my 70cc nsr and a billy wiese pipe on an other i wanna run in a modified 50 class. both with 24mm carbs.

08-30-2009, 01:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
johnson05 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 101	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices The problem is that most Japanese shops will not sell outside Japan.

09-13-2009, 08:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
NCNSR R.I.P. 11/29/09 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Franklin Square, NY Posts: 955 My Mood:	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices Added Morgan Racing US Distributor of JOLLYMOTO... http://www.morganracing.cc/

11-28-2009, 11:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
johnson05 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 101	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices Just thought I would throw in a pic of a few of the exhaust choices for the NSR50. Note how vastly different the expansion chambers are is shape..... For those that do not know the exhausts from top to bottom are stock, Kitaco, Arrow, and Jolly Moto on the bottom. Last edited by johnson05; 11-28-2009 at 11:53 AM.

11-28-2009, 03:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
racerxxx221 PM Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 70 My Mood:	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices Johnson,on what set up are you running these pipes on,If you don't mind can you tell me what cc cylinder,what size carb?How did the Jolly pipe run?what type of powerband ? eg.8k to 12000k just trying to get a feel of when the power comes on.What is you personal preference when it comes to the pipes you have listed.Any detailed info would be greatly appreciated.If you cant share it I appreciated.Thanx

11-28-2009, 06:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
johnson05 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 101	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices I like the arrow so far. Unfortunately I have not used the Jolly Moto yet. Just when I got it in September we had a brutal cold snap so I won't be able to test it until spring. The Jolly will be peakier for sure. The arrow is a nice bolt on that does not require any rejetting but it does give a ton more overrev compared to stock. The Kitaco is build more for show. Its lightweight but to be honest by mid summer I ditched it to go back to the stock pipe. I used the arrow with my Athena big bore kit but next year I will be running 63cc Kitaco cylinders in both my bikes (though with different dech heights and port timing). I will have to play mix and match between cylinders, carbs, and pipes to get different combinations that will work. If it warms up I will try to squeak in a dyno session but with this last weather swing I don't think I will be doing anything till spring. I can hardly wait.

11-29-2009, 07:14 AM	#14 (permalink)
fireman_343 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Blacklick Ohio Posts: 424 My Mood:	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices Here is my .02 on the Arrow exhaust. I had the Arrow exhaust on my NSR when I had the 63, 65 and 70cc kits on it and I liked it at first, until I found out that it doesn't help anything! Billy Wiese put a stock NSR on the dyno, ran it, then put on the Arrow exhaust on and it pulled the same numbers! No different then the stock exhaust. Billy called me and told me about this, since he knew I had one, and I took mine off...raced the next weekend with my stock exhaust back on with the 65cc kit and ran the same, if not better lap times at the track that day! Plus, when I got the exhaust from Team Calamari, they told me it would bolt right on. I got the exhaust in the mail, and it was for the NS-50 (17" wheel bike) not the 12" wheel NSR-50. They said that was the exhaust for the NSR50, and I could return it, but it would cost me a restocking fee, shipping ect.. so I ended up cutting off the mounting tabs, and the exhaust stinger, relocated so it would fit/mount on the NSR. Was kinda pissed off about that since I spent $300 for a stock exhaust! Run the Jolly Moto or Jemco pipe.. you'll see a HUGE differance in the power!

11-29-2009, 12:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
fireman_343 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Blacklick Ohio Posts: 424 My Mood:	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices Yeah, the HP game is fun, but really... would you of bought that Arrow exhaust knowing that it doesn't give you any HP increase, but maybe a little better throttle responce? I can spend a lot less then $300 on something else and get the same results if not better. Hey, I love the look of the Arrow, but the damn thing was a $300 stock pipe. When racing mine, I felt absolutely no difference from one pipe to the other, other then the noise it made. This was racing at a short track, so it might of made a difference on a longer track? Now, take the same motor, add the Jemco exhaust to it and it was night and day difference! My teammate Jordan runs the Jemco exhaust on his NSR-63cc bike. I raced it in an endurance race not too long ago and I couldn't believe how much of a difference that pipe makes on that bike! You want to talk about pinning the tach needle, that pipe will brake that needle off! Then add an inner-rotor kit, and you are talking crazy fast!! This is just my opinion.. nothing else. And about TCR.. I don't mind them at all.. they have helped me out a lot back in the days when I was racing my YSR, they know YSR's inside and out. I'm just not sure if they know as much about the NSR's?

11-29-2009, 02:12 PM	#19 (permalink)
johnson05 1st Gear Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 101	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices My arrow came with the bike and the whole package was pretty cheap. Fireman, I'm curious. Do you know anyone running the Jemco without any motor work done. Stock head with say an untouched cylinder (bigbore or not). Just wondering how much difference just the pipe makes.

11-29-2009, 03:25 PM	#20 (permalink)
fireman_343 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Blacklick Ohio Posts: 424 My Mood:	Re: NSR50 Performance Exhaust Choices Matter of fact yes I do.. Jordan (I'll see if I can call him and he can chime in on this fact) use to run his Jemco exhaust with stock bore, stock carb, and he would keep up with me and my 65cc NSR with Arrow exhaust. That is when I knew something was wrong with that exhaust.. the motor was fresh, and no problems with it, he would just fly right past me on the straights! Don't get me wrong, he said he would have to work to get around me, but as soon as he installed the Kitaco 63cc kit, he was untouchable.. and still is! Here is a video of him on his NSR at BeaveRun, PA on his NSR with Jemco exhaust and stock bore cylinder and stock carb. This was back in 2005, the other bike was our other teammate.. he had just a bone stock NSR and couldn't keep up with Jordan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UjVewx7H2k There are about 2-3 other racers in our club running just the Jemco exhaust on the NSR without any other motor/carb mods and they are all FAST! Last edited by fireman_343; 11-29-2009 at 03:47 PM.

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