Planet Minis

dhanson96 · 06-30-2004, 09:50 PM

Anybody have any more information on this? I saw this on www.50ccracing.com and it is said to have 17 horses at the rear wheel.

Z · 06-30-2004, 09:53 PM

Impressive displacement, but unimpressive HP numbers for a motor that big. The 160cc Honda Nice motors (bored and stroked 110's) are putting down 23-24 HP and run like a raped ape..

dhanson96 · 06-30-2004, 09:55 PM

I was thinking that was kinda low, consittering a 117 makes 17 hp also.... Z do you have any more info on these Honda Nice motors, like where to get one?

Z · 06-30-2004, 09:59 PM

The Honda NICE was a motorcycle made by Honda for the Thai Market.

You can purchase the 110cc motor here:

www.faddybike.com

Then, you can have a German company bore and stroke the motor out for you. I'll dig up the link. Or you can have a UK company do the work for you also.

www.dragonracingparts.co.uk

In the end, it's not cheap, and you have to modify your footpegs and run aftermarket forks, but in the HP wars, the Japanese can't yet beat this combo. Find a way to mate the Kitaco SE head to the Honda Nice 160cc motor, and you'll have a rocket on your hands.

Shiftwideopen · 06-30-2004, 11:43 PM

Crower is said to be making them pull 20 or more hp now or soon.

I lahaye is an engine guy, im sure he can make you something quick as hell.

mxboy57 · 07-01-2004, 12:02 AM

will they Nice motor bolt strait up to an xr50

how much does it cost... import and every thing

discoken · 07-01-2004, 01:01 PM

You guys are right about the numbers on the 117, but that number would be at the crank. The KLX 160 has about 20hp at the crank. The numbers can be backed up by the dyno. Does anyone have a dyno on the 117? Numbers on the 88 takagawa with a superhead are around 8rwhp, so i cant see the 117 with 17rwhp. Displacement wouldnt make that much difference.
As far as the Honda 160cc, we'd like to know where to get one a hold of one of those motors. 23hp at the crank is definitely possible. If anyone has one they'd like to dyno, give crowerpower a call, 866-361-CAMS(2267)!

Z · 07-01-2004, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discoken

You guys are right about the numbers on the 117, but that number would be at the crank. The KLX 160 has about 20hp at the crank. The numbers can be backed up by the dyno. Does anyone have a dyno on the 117? Numbers on the 88 takagawa with a superhead are around 8rwhp, so i cant see the 117 with 17rwhp. Displacement wouldnt make that much difference.
As far as the Honda 160cc, we'd like to know where to get one a hold of one of those motors. 23hp at the crank is definitely possible. If anyone has one they'd like to dyno, give crowerpower a call, 866-361-CAMS(2267)!

When most people dyno motors, they dyno the whole bike, so most of the numbers you'll be seeing is RWHP or Rear Wheel Horsepower. I don't know of very many who are putting just the motor on the dyno.

Secondly, I've yet to see any Kitaco Dyno numbers, but will be testing out a 108 Ultrahead (Non-SE) for my own benefit, as well as a Honda Trail Bikes 88cc Kit with Head and all the fixins, ported, lightened and balanced wiith a 20mm carb.

I just haven't had the time at the moment to do my own testing. (I'm unaffiliated with any shop) I urge vendors to dyno their combinations to give people the true picture of what various combinations put out both in HP and torque.

discoken · 07-01-2004, 01:40 PM

Dyno numbers are what everyone wants to see. We know where some of the bikes run, as far as RWHP. But, proof of 23RWHP would be nice, as well as the 17RWHP 117kit. We just dont think its possible and would love to see actual dyno results. FYI, a stock XR50 has 2.4RWHP, an 88cc with a stock head and a cam, about 4.2. Our 88cc with a stock head, 20mm carb and our Cam has 8.9RWHP.

CMaDillac · 07-01-2004, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by z88R

Impressive displacement, but unimpressive HP numbers for a motor that big. The 160cc Honda Nice motors (bored and stroked 110's) are putting down 23-24 HP and run like a raped ape..

how fast do raped apes run?

five0addict · 07-01-2004, 03:13 PM

discoken, im assuming your a part of the crower power buisness?

storminnorman07 · 12-16-2005, 08:53 PM

has any one on here got 20 hp at rear wheel on their 50?

blackjer · 12-16-2005, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxboy57

will they Nice motor bolt strait up to an xr50

how much does it cost... import and every thing

Yes they will. The engine is a little wider then an XR engine so youll probably have to modify your pegs.

You are looking at 700-1000 dollars off ebay for a used NICE engine.

blackjer · 12-16-2005, 09:05 PM

Dan,

What shift pattern does the NICE have?

Dakota569 · 12-16-2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discoken

Our 88cc with a stock head, 20mm carb and our Cam has 8.9RWHP.

LOL

filthyboatguy · 12-16-2005, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discoken

Dyno numbers are what everyone wants to see. We know where some of the bikes run, as far as RWHP. But, proof of 23RWHP would be nice, as well as the 17RWHP 117kit. We just dont think its possible and would love to see actual dyno results. FYI, a stock XR50 has 2.4RWHP, an 88cc with a stock head and a cam, about 4.2. Our 88cc with a stock head, 20mm carb and our Cam has 8.9RWHP.

Really, my stock ported head 88 with 20mm and cam done by Crower made 5.7 hp at the wheel.

Z50King · 12-16-2005, 10:57 PM

how does a "raped ape" run???

06-30-2004, 09:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
dhanson96 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 446	Crower Power 160cc Anybody have any more information on this? I saw this on www.50ccracing.com and it is said to have 17 horses at the rear wheel.

06-30-2004, 09:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Z 5th Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: KANSAS Posts: 8,523	Impressive displacement, but unimpressive HP numbers for a motor that big. The 160cc Honda Nice motors (bored and stroked 110's) are putting down 23-24 HP and run like a raped ape..

06-30-2004, 09:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
dhanson96 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 446	I was thinking that was kinda low, consittering a 117 makes 17 hp also.... Z do you have any more info on these Honda Nice motors, like where to get one?

06-30-2004, 09:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Z 5th Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: KANSAS Posts: 8,523	The Honda NICE was a motorcycle made by Honda for the Thai Market. You can purchase the 110cc motor here: www.faddybike.com Then, you can have a German company bore and stroke the motor out for you. I'll dig up the link. Or you can have a UK company do the work for you also. www.dragonracingparts.co.uk In the end, it's not cheap, and you have to modify your footpegs and run aftermarket forks, but in the HP wars, the Japanese can't yet beat this combo. Find a way to mate the Kitaco SE head to the Honda Nice 160cc motor, and you'll have a rocket on your hands.

06-30-2004, 11:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Shiftwideopen Founding Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Draper, UT Posts: 388	Crower is said to be making them pull 20 or more hp now or soon. I lahaye is an engine guy, im sure he can make you something quick as hell.

07-01-2004, 12:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
mxboy57 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lafayette,LA Posts: 279	will they Nice motor bolt strait up to an xr50 how much does it cost... import and every thing

07-01-2004, 01:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
discoken PM Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2	You guys are right about the numbers on the 117, but that number would be at the crank. The KLX 160 has about 20hp at the crank. The numbers can be backed up by the dyno. Does anyone have a dyno on the 117? Numbers on the 88 takagawa with a superhead are around 8rwhp, so i cant see the 117 with 17rwhp. Displacement wouldnt make that much difference. As far as the Honda 160cc, we'd like to know where to get one a hold of one of those motors. 23hp at the crank is definitely possible. If anyone has one they'd like to dyno, give crowerpower a call, 866-361-CAMS(2267)!

07-01-2004, 01:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
discoken PM Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2	Dyno numbers are what everyone wants to see. We know where some of the bikes run, as far as RWHP. But, proof of 23RWHP would be nice, as well as the 17RWHP 117kit. We just dont think its possible and would love to see actual dyno results. FYI, a stock XR50 has 2.4RWHP, an 88cc with a stock head and a cam, about 4.2. Our 88cc with a stock head, 20mm carb and our Cam has 8.9RWHP.

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