anyone sliding?

[PANTERRA]

anybody able to do that "motard slide" into the turns if so how? i can lock the back brke up and squeel the tire and kick it out but thats not very good for racing lol

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[mattv]

instead of using brakes to do it........downshift and let the powershift do the slide.

[PANTERRA]

with low rpm?

[nick novice]

engine braking + plus weight on the front from trailing it in with the front brake will start the slide. you may modulate it with the rear brake. i race supermoto on a 450. but i have yet to ride a mini on the tarmac. i would think you will need a fairly extreme lean angle just to minimize the contact patch since there's not that much engine braking. i'll figure it out. i better lace that 12" rear and buy some tires.

[JohnnyB]

Doesn't back'n it require high speeds ??? Wouldn't you need to like go from 3rd and wack it down to first on a mini ??? It really surprizes me that more people don't throw rods when they back it in on a regular basis on any bike .

[PANTERRA]

yeah wouldnt that bust your shit? im assuming you would need a manual clutch for that?

[thesplintercell]

i do it on a flat dirt track i have, and its fun. so its more like a fish tail in the dirt huh?

[BartW]

go to an asphalt parking lot when it is raining and wear some good padding and jeans or leathers and practice it, you will lock up the rear much easier on the wet surface and be able to practice at lower speeds till you get better and try it at high speeds.

[moosehunter]

go to an asphalt parking lot when it is raining and wear some good padding and jeans or leathers and practice it, you will lock up the rear much easier on the wet surface and be able to practice at lower speeds till you get better and try it at high speeds.

I agree with Bart on this point... A slick surface is easier to "back'r in" at slower speeds... But it is also a bit less predicable. When you get in too deep... You're down. WEAR BODY ARMOR!!



Higher speeds and dry tarmac make this type of sliding easier to learn.... (personal opinion...) So when you DO figure it out... It's one of the quickest (And coolest!! ) ways around a corner..

[miniman]

I think a slipper clutch also helps out....

[nick novice]

I think a slipper clutch also helps out....

i disagree. just because you're backing it in, doesn't necessarily make your line faster. a slipper clutch makes it harder to slide at least for a beginner. i'm a reasonable supermoto rider. but i'm unsure if i'm fast enopugh for a slipper clutch. i probably couldn't brake the wheel if i had one. somewhat local pro matt pursley swears them off and if you've ever checked out supermoto racer, he's about one of the most sideways guys out there. in fact, he wrote the tutorial on backin' it in for the mag.

[jigracing]

This is an awesome example. (no its not me, I wish)

[nick novice]

what's on the other guy's handlebars, donkey kong???

[RUMotarded]

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[RUMotarded]

pic 2

[TRT]

I do it all the time and am not sure if it is the fastest way around the track but if definately allows you to take the inside line away from a road racers line. And its alot of fun!



I just go as fast as I can and then downshift one gear with alot of front brake and this usually will do the trick. I often use the rear brake in a pulsating action! As long as you can get the tire back on the ground(it usually hops a little while doing this) then it allows you to rail the turn after you set up by backnog it in. Oh yea I hang off the bike alot also.



The guy in the picts above is flattracking it around that corner. It looks way cool. I don't know if that is considered backing it in or flattracking it. Either way it looks badazz.

[RUMotarded]

TRT...you are correct, I guess the arm positioning gives the flattrack styling away Just make sure you have plenty of spare toe/knee sliders

[eurotrash]

Backing it in is done all with engine braking and trail braking with the rear brake. Not exclusive to Motard racing, watch Nicky Hayden and some of the AMA guys they will occasionally let the back wander about before initiating turn-in. It is more prominant in Motard, however still done in other forms of racing.



Basically you are setting the bike up for the turn prior to the turn-in point, by "squaring" off the corner. If you watch the really fast Motard guys they arent dragging knee they are sliding their boot. They go deep into the corner with the bike sideways, lean it over and finish off the turn. The shift is just before the apex but well after turn-in. Check out the linked video, these guys are super fast and are backing it in deep into the corners.

[PANTERRA]

wow that is truely amazing. im gonna go out and try tomorrow, any vids of this done on a 50? im going out and trying this tomorrow, i got an AMAZING parking lot behing my house, its huge with plenty of turns you supermoto guys would drool if u saw this place. i think im setting my bike up for supermoto now.

[Dakota569]

I love that video ... backing it in just starts to happen as speeds go up , its not like you just decide Im going to learn how to back it in today and go out and do it ... Its a gradual progression of speed that will start the process ... The biggest reason to back the bike into corners is to scrub speed, the brakes alone can only do so much then you need to use sideways friction, if that makes any sense ...