Should A 150R W/ 14 & 12" Wheels Be Allowed To Race W/ Us?

[koby686]

I would be curious to see an LXR sitting next too a CRF150 to gauge the size difference, as I have never seen an LXR in real life. But the damn thing has a linkage, which I think is a little ridiculous for a mini.

there big if you think a bbr bike is big then wait till you see the lxr

[PlanetMinis.com]

[Matified]

Wow the LXR has been out for going on its fourth model year!! and now its cheating! haha, it still fits with in mini moto and about every other sanctioning bodies rules. We designed it to be the top of the line, and go to the max rules, but it is still a pitbike in the true sense of the word,, saying itis not because has a linkage, is like saying any bike that does not have the A style swingarm is not a pitbike!

Hell the KTM 505sx does not have a linkage is it a "pitbike"?

I know many KLX guys are butt hurt about the LXR, you spend a ton of cash on them and even the BBR mm12p fell short when compared to the LXR, but it is still a pitbike,an aircooled, horizontal less than 49 inch wheelbase pitbike.

There are thousands of LXRs sold and will be plenty more.

But any way you slice it, the CRF150r is not a pitbike.

[Markopolo400]

Easyyyy I'm not trying to hate on the LXR or Pitster or anyone for that matter, but for someone who is (relatively) new to the whole pit bike scene, the LXR seems more like a scaled down big bike than a scaled up mini like a BBR primmy.



I'm not saying I wouldn't ride one or own one haha. I would just lump the LXR in a class with bikes like TTR125s/CRF150Fs. But at the same time the same could be said for BBR primmy bikes.



Ahh to hell with it, everyone just ride stock 110s and be done with it.

[koby686]

Wow the LXR has been out for going on its fourth model year!! and now its cheating! haha, it still fits with in mini moto and about every other sanctioning bodies rules. We designed it to be the top of the line, and go to the max rules, but it is still a pitbike in the true sense of the word,, saying itis not because has a linkage, is like saying any bike that does not have the A style swingarm is not a pitbike!

Hell the KTM 505sx does not have a linkage is it a "pitbike"?

I know many KLX guys are butt hurt about the LXR, you spend a ton of cash on them and even the BBR mm12p fell short when compared to the LXR, but it is still a pitbike,an aircooled, horizontal less than 49 inch wheelbase pitbike.

There are thousands of LXRs sold and will be plenty more.

But any way you slice it, the CRF150r is not a pitbike.

IF your on the topic of CHEATING then the LXR is in there. how is someone gonna complain about a 150r racing in the 12" class when they have a bike with pretty much the same setup.. who cares if thats how it comes stock. and no one is complaining about the lxr i can carless you wanna put 12/14 wheels on a 450 and race it, do it your the one whos looking like a fool... WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT IF THE OP IS BITCHING ABOUT A 150R BEING IN THE PITBIKE CLASS AND HE HAS A SIMILIAR BIKE THATS MAKING HIM LOOK DUMB UNLESS THIS KID IS SLINGIN IT ON THE 150R AND THEY HAVE NO CHANCE AGAINST HIM THEN ID UNDERSTAND.. BUT WHEN THEY SAY HES NOT EVEN WINNING AND THERE STILL BITCHING. COME ON NOW.. SPECIAL K U WANT IT FAIR? THEN BE FAIR ASWELL.. OFCOURSE U ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH ME BUT THAT IS MY OPINION. DONT BE A HYPOCRITE.

[Matified]

I would be curious to see an LXR sitting next too a CRF150 to gauge the size difference, as I have never seen an LXR in real life. But the damn thing has a linkage, which I think is a little ridiculous for a mini.

The LXR is only slightly larger than a KX65, not 85, not a CRF150!

As I said before, I could care less when I race against small wheeled versions, back in the day we raced x4 on big bike tracks against 150s and 85s, they even got the first gate and many times we would catch and pass many of the mini open riders.



In this video I am 43 years old (47 now) as you can see the mini open gets a head start to the first turn, I end up catching and passing 5 of them , and was working on another when I crashed on the down hill double double double section. I remounted and still finish second .





Second moto I am feeling the crash so I just roll the double section but still catch a few of the mini open riders.

Went to the Dr the next day as I could hardly move and found out I had stress fractured my femur.

[Matified]

IF your on the topic of CHEATING then the LXR is in there. how is someone gonna complain about a 150r racing in the 12" class when they have a bike with pretty much the same setup.. who cares if thats how it comes stock. and no one is complaining about the lxr i can carless you wanna put 12/14 wheels on a 450 and race it, do it your the one whos looking like a fool... WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT IF THE OP IS BITCHING ABOUT A 150R BEING IN THE PITBIKE CLASS AND HE HAS A SIMILIAR BIKE THATS MAKING HIM LOOK DUMB UNLESS THIS KID IS SLINGIN IT ON THE 150R AND THEY HAVE NO CHANCE AGAINST HIM THEN ID UNDERSTAND.. BUT WHEN THEY SAY HES NOT EVEN WINNING AND THERE STILL BITCHING. COME ON NOW.. SPECIAL K U WANT IT FAIR? THEN BE FAIR ASWELL.. OFCOURSE U ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH ME BUT THAT IS MY OPINION. DONT BE A HYPOCRITE.

Sounds like you want to start a thread crying about the LXR!! Your not going to convice anyone that it is not a pitbike, all the crying in the world is not going to turn it into a non pitbike!

The CRF150r is not and never will fit in the rulebook like the LXR does. Plain and simple you are having LXR envy and only wish BBR would have stepped it up and built you something that was as complete.

As I said and in my post, I would race against it, and if I beat the CRF150 I would have a good time with it,My whole point is LXR= pitbike, CRF150=not a pitbike.

I would bet if the guy was at your track ,you would go ape shit about the CRf150 even more than aparently you are butt hurt on the LXR,

[Markopolo400]

Sounds like you want to start a thread crying about the LXR!! Your not going to convice anyone that it is not a pitbike, all the crying in the world is not going to turn it into a non pitbike!

Well the pit bike rules say (Off the top of my head as I believe) the rules are 12in rear wheel, open frame air cooled. Seems pretty wide open description of a pit bike to me.

[koby686]

Sounds like you want to start a thread crying about the LXR!! Your not going to convice anyone that it is not a pitbike, all the crying in the world is not going to turn it into a non pitbike!

The CRF150r is not and never will fit in the rulebook like the LXR does. Plain and simple you are having LXR envy and only wish BBR would have stepped it up and built you something that was as complete.

As I said and in my post, I would race against it, and if I beat the CRF150 I would have a good time with it,My whole point is LXR= pitbike, CRF150=not a pitbike.

I would bet if the guy was at your track ,you would go ape shit about the CRf150 even more than aparently you are butt hurt on the LXR,

hahahahahaha, wow you are a funny guy.. not even going to waste my time arguing with you because i can honestly care less. BUT let me just say i would never ever ride a lxr weather you gave me one for free or what doesnt matter. you think i wish BBR built a bike like the LXR? if that was my wish i could have bought 4 LXR'S for the price that i built one bike. dont compare a china company to a well built bike we all know you work for pitster and are biased about it..

[koby686]

I would bet if the guy was at your track ,you would go ape shit about the CRf150 even more than aparently you are butt hurt on the LXR,

at mini madness i sighned up to race against the 150rs on my 12" just because its another class! that shows your stupidity..

[KXRACER561]

I was going to comment on this the other day since I was home sick and bored. I spent half my day reading all the pages and then I said nah this thread is going no where. well I am still sick and bored so here we go.



I am going to sell all my BBR bikes and buy LXR's! same thing happened in the 928mx Havasu races last year. not only a 150r with 12- 14 wheels but a nice perimeter framed BBR 150r raced 12" and vet every race. his shop also put up the money to put the races on as a sponsor. he never took a podium spot and got smoked by at least 3 BBR perimeter 12" bikes every race along with the LXR's . well this year there are no races every month in Havasu because of no $$$ .. so you should be lucky to have a race to go to. I can tell you a 150r has no advantage over a properly built 12" mod bike. he never holeshot a race and never finished on the podium. as for LXR's being unfair I dont think that they are at all. so who wants to put on some races in sunny California so we can prove this???

[Special~K]

Hahaha this is great! We need some controversy on this forum... makes it fun and beats reading endless classified ads. I'be been trying to stay away and let it die, but why do that right? Its a forum, lets have some fun! I just wish I was at a PC so I could REALLY hash this out



Ok, first off all you douche nuggets complaining about the/my lxr need to open your eyes. ITS A PITBIKE. PERIOD! So i guess the medina likage bike wasnt a pitbike either huh? When I get to a computer I will post a pic of my lxr next to a full mod klx and put all this " its big" bull sh*t to rest. I have the standard 14/12 frame.... its just BARELY taller than the klx. The linkage or the engine have nothing to do with this... as its still is within Vegas pit bike rules. Try to race a 150r in the 12" inch class.... dunbass'es lol.



Luke, as for your "well why didn't you make this post before" comment, I don't have too. YOU made a thread and got the same results hahaha. Don't you remember?

Also, I have said time and time again this isnt about me... its about the PITBIKE class in general. If you can race that bike then the track rat can race his ttr125... right? The who else is gonna show up and with what? 85's with small wheels?



All you fart blossoms bitching about my showas and engine can sit and spin on it. My showas are shortened (that means less travel retards) and my engine was built within the limits of the rules. My suggestion to you twerps is to pull the bottle of hater aid from your cork soakers and get a job and build your own bikes if you don't like if. Man up and buy an lxr if its so damn special! I would have liked to just save the 6k I have in my lxr and bought a $1200 150r... but ITS NOT A PITBIKE.



As for our races (Luke) ride it I don't care. Like I've said a million times before this ain't about me... I don't even know if I'm racing anymore. I'm getting old and thinking about taking it down a notch. However, I don't like seeing the friends I've raced with, built bikes with, bled with have to race a bike that has a clear advantage because you were to much of a bag. To build your own.... even though u were warned time and time again.



I don't control the races here... I can't stop you.



We aren't talking about a Pitbike track... were talking full out MX track known for its ruts and breaking bumps. You gonna try and tell me a longer, taller bike with a 5 speed tyranny isn't an advantage????



Its just like back in the day of racing my 50 against the 110s. I had the first 155z which was much faster than stock 110s. I'd pull the holes hot all day but they would always catch me because of ruts and bumps.

[Special~K]

I think its funny how you tards twist this around to me being scared of this bike.... y'all are totally missing the point. My first post stated I wasn't even at the race, and it didn't mention any names.



You wanna bash someone bash me... Matt just put his. 02 in as you did.

[Special~K]

hahahahahaha, wow you are a funny guy.. not even going to waste my time arguing with you because i can honestly care less. BUT let me just say i would never ever ride a lxr weather you gave me one for free or what doesnt matter. you think i wish BBR built a bike like the LXR? if that was my wish i could have bought 4 LXR'S for the price that i built one bike. dont compare a china company to a well built bike we all know you work for pitster and are biased about it..

I LOVE it... look how many haters my china POS lxr has hahaha. I love you guys.... I wouldn't trade my lxr for ANY other Pitbike... but that's just me. I've got a ton of work into it and it has been the best bike I've ever ridden. All this coming from the once anti Pitster Medina guy, so don't give me the bias speech cupcake

[koby686]

I think its funny how you tards twist this around to me being scared of this bike.... y'all are totally missing the point. My first post stated I wasn't even at the race, and it didn't mention any names.



You wanna bash someone bash me... Matt just put his. 02 in as you did.

your sitting here talking shit to this dude telling him how its not fair to race a 150r in the pitbike class saying he has an advantage ect.. then you go and say its not about you? make up your mind first you care if he races then you dont you were just bitching about him not racing a legit 110.. which is it, are you trying to get your point across by saying its not fair to race a 150r in the pitbike class or its not fair when he beats you with it?



IF the topic of ADVANTAGE is being talked about then you have an advantage aswell dont you? linked lxr vs non linked 110s..



personally like ive said before i can give 2 shits if you race against me with a 450 with 12/14 ur the one looking like an idiot not me. and i have NOTHING against lxrs besides the fact that in STOCK form they are PILES OF SHIT say what you want but if they were not you would not have put a klx motor in it you would not have changed the suspension eaither..





what else you got to say bud?

[koby686]

I LOVE it... look how many haters my china POS lxr has hahaha. I love you guys.... I wouldn't trade my lxr for ANY other Pitbike... but that's just me. I've got a ton of work into it and it has been the best bike I've ever ridden. All this coming from the anti Pitster Medina guy, so don't give me the bias speech cupcake

no bias speech i HATE china and wont touch it. if the bikes were that good you would have left it stock. am i wrong?

[Special~K]

no bias speech i HATE china and wont touch it. if the bikes were that good you would have left it stock. am i wrong?

The reason its not stock is because I wanted to build sonethinf. Same thing would have happened to an MP12 or whatever you call it. Lets not turn this into a china versus japan battle again... there's enough of those threads.



Let me clarify for you one more time ..



This is about pitbikes, the mini scene, keeping it going around my area. That being said, it does evolve talking about the advantages the longer, closes framed, water cooled, vertical engined 17/14 (or whatever size) wheeled MX RACE bike has against a PITBIKE. However, its not about me personally and how I might finish in a race against said bike. I did this to find out if others thought I should stand up and say something. The thought of a PITBIKE class being flooded with big bikes with small wheels or 150r/F's 125's etc. Doesn't sit right with me. This isn't about skill, about me, or Luke, or the lxr, or matt... its about people trying to ride big bikes in the damn pit bike class.

[KXRACER561]

I didnt read all that, but I am telling you that a 150r has no advantage . go ride his bike, it frame cases the ground before it bottoms out. it has less ground clearance then your lxr or a BBR bike. 150r's have no bottom end . the front brakes are horrible. it is no more comfortable then a 12" mod bike, well at least a BBR 12" mod bike. . . but I am kind of small so maybe thats why. who cares about a 5speed trans.. 4 speed is all you need unless you are racing desert. they are the same hp as a built klx or daytona dohc 150..they are heavier then klx, lxr or BBR... I have raced against 150r's with big wheels and killed them, like I said you are lucky to have races quit crying... go eat some sushi now.

[cjohnson_8118]

Hell ya this sure beats reading classifieds shit I ride china junk and would buy another as long as I'm riding and within the rules I'm ok with whatever bike you want to ride... Beating ppl on a 150 that are riding 50/110 klx bbr ssr pitster whatever doesn't give you alot of bragging rights but if we kick ass like Matt or anyone else stated we got the right to say we kicked your ass on a pitbike so I'd say settle it on the track either way the 150 loses! And I'm sure after this topic he won't be pulling up to the line on it so it's kinda irrelevant anymore

[Special~K]

I can't do this from a phone... too much to type. Ill be back on when I get back in the office. Look at the poles... its obvious I'm not the only one that feels this way. I love minis, and want to see it get popular again. By it, I mean PITBIKES/MINIS (be it BBR, pitsters, klx, WHATEVER) . NOT BIG BIKES WITH SMALL WHEELS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN CLASSIFIED AS PITBIKES

[KXRACER561]

I forgot one thing . LOL you guys are funny!!!!